Effect returns within groups?

[Auton]

Heyho.

I'd like to know if anyone here knows if its possible to have effect returns within a group or possibly within an instrument rack much like you can have in a drum rack. Would be a nice function for additive processing. Now i have to make an extra audio track in the group just for bussing back the return channel to the group bus

Maby this is something for the wish-list section i dunno...

/A

[ze2be]

You can do it with drum racks. Other then that, theres some hacky workarounds. But I havent tried it.

[k7stringsamura]

It took me a while, but I see what you're talking about now. I actually haven't used this function as I have made a habit of creating separate audio channels for parallel processing instruments, drums, you name it.

I'm not exactly sure as to how MAX for Live works (I don't have it) but there may be ways to do routing like that. You may also be able to just add a chain in the instrument rack and send signals to that chain and control the wet/dry by using the chain's volume. I'm just making guesses at this point though.

[Auton]

So how do you usually set up parallel processing then? Except within a drum rack.

/A

[Angstrom]

you can't physically move the return tracks on the GUI into the group, but you can effectively have them be in the group

set the main return channels you'd like to group to 'sends only' ,
now make a group of some of your normal tracks, if you haven't already
make two new audio tracks in the group and name them after the returns you'd like to include in your group (for example you might call them Delay and Reverb)
set them to Monitoring [ In].
choose the inputs for these two new tracks as coming from the return channels, post effects.

now your return channels are actually inside your group and you just grouped your effects returns.
there are a couple of things to watch out for when doing this sort of thing
mainly regarding latency calculation on feedback looped returns though. So probably not an issue for most people.
Essentially: If you allow main return channels to feed back on themselves (by activating their own send) the PDC becomes an infinite loop and so impossible to calculate, so they are taken out of PDC calculations. So ... if you output one of these esoteric feedback returns via a group you may find that PDC for that group also goes a bit screwy. I think that's the case.
Note: this is not a bug, unless you can tell me how much latency an infinite loop of look-ahead compressors creates. In which case you are a meta genius.

[Auton]

you can't physically move the return tracks on the GUI into the group, but you can effectively have them be in the group

set the main return channels you'd like to group to 'sends only' ,
now make a group of some of your normal tracks, if you haven't already
make two new audio tracks in the group and name them after the returns you'd like to include in your group (for example you might call them Delay and Reverb)
set them to Monitoring [ In].
choose the inputs for these two new tracks as coming from the return channels, post effects.

now your return channels are actually inside your group and you just grouped your effects returns.
there are a couple of things to watch out for when doing this sort of thing
mainly regarding latency calculation on feedback looped returns though. So probably not an issue for most people.
Essentially: If you allow main return channels to feed back on themselves (by activating their own send) the PDC becomes an infinite loop and so impossible to calculate, so they are taken out of PDC calculations. So ... if you output one of these esoteric feedback returns via a group you may find that PDC for that group also goes a bit screwy. I think that's the case.
Note: this is not a bug, unless you can tell me how much latency an infinite loop of look-ahead compressors creates. In which case you are a meta genius.

This is how i do it now acutally, as i wrote in my first post somewhat more condensed. Just feels kinda messy, especially since the return channel function within groups are avalible in the drum racks... :/

[triss]

this? http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... 2#p1261852