ABLETON SHOULD MAKE A STRICLY DJ MODE

[kanuck]

yeah curious, why do djs choose ableton over serato or traktor or the other products out there? I'm talking about straight-play-off-cd djs

[rsaulo]

yeah curious, why do djs choose ableton over serato or traktor or the other products out there? I'm talking about straight-play-off-cd djs

Because Live is the only DAW that can be used to play "Live" and after a while using it as an "DJing" tool you probably will hit the record button, change to arrangement and begin to learn how to produce, and after this you will probably RETURN to session view, but now to really use Live to what it's designed for IMO, you will play YOUR loops, from your tracks, jamming with synths, recording on the fly, using step sequencers, etc, etc, etc

That's what happened to me, if I need to DJ today, I'll probably use CDJs, but it will be very very BORING to me...

Live is just ... amazing !!!

I understand all the problems, crashes, etc that many people complain, but to ME it's simply, stable, I had some problems when started with Live 5 on PC, but after moving to OSX I do not have nothing to say...

[condra]

I use Live for both production and DJ'ing, and I believe it will continue to be a great tool for producers and DJs alike. There are 20,000 members on abletonlivedj.com.

There is a lot Ableton can do to make Live more DJ friendly, without stepping on the toes of any studio-bound Live users. Actually, some "DJ-centric" improvements could also benefit other users - such as an improved browser, and the ability to bring samples/clips into session view without using a mouse.

There's a big list of DJ wishes here:
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... 5#p1199945
Lots of them could be handy for producers too.

Sure, there are other DJ solutions, but Live does some things very well. You can choose how you want to perform, using as many channels of audio as you wish. You can create weird effects chains, rhythmic dummy clips, and map whatever controls you want, to whatever controller you want.

As a DJ solution, Live is completely open. This expansive approach appeals to a lot of people. I would not like Live to split into 2 separate applications. Live is a laboratory, and we're all mad scientists.

It would be appropriate to call it "Grey Area".

[Forge.]

I'm always a bit amazed that DJs even try to use Live for actual DJing, or anything particularly close

Live was originally for electronic musicians to perform their bleepy breaky tunes,and I can totally see that people doing some sort of 'live mashup' DJ performance would find Live perfect for them. But for the more standard DJ it's baffled me, because on the dancefloor when punters hear one of their favourite tunes coming in DO NOT want to hear 18 tons of beatrepeat all over it, or similar. It's just over-working it. Just let the good times flow and keep your over tweaky hands out of the way.

When a performer plays their own tunes then the short-attention-span clip triggering beat-repeat spasms are the expression of the artist themself, so that's what the audience are coming for. But if the audience has come to just dance to big tunes mixed well, then all that extra clippy action is just annoying.

If you just want to play tunes to people, use something else. If you want to create stuff live, then use Live.

well to me it's more about being able to use one program - the same I use for production. That's all really. Plus there are some great control options for working with MIDI controllers

I totally agree about the Beat repeat thing - I am not into destroying tracks and in most cases it feels like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer, but the point is I don't need another program for my DJ sets.

Plus it can be good for some gentle "embellishment"

But if someone was looking to buy software just for DJing I wouldn't recommend Live, but the point is if you want to do both, it can do both for you.

[Tarekith]

After a few months with Traktor S4, I couldn't wait to get back to Live for DJing. And I never use Beat Repeats.

[LeifonMars]

After a few months with Traktor S4, I couldn't wait to get back to Live for DJing. And I never use Beat Repeats.

Interesting, please, tell more.

[Gregory Wells-King]

I've allways been drawn to Ableton because of it's pureness and simplicity, It's fresh and designed to bring the worlds of sampling, Live performance, and Musical Arrangement together.

I like progress, I like new tools, and I like new ways to bring music to an audience.

Perhaps though The last time I saw a disk being inserted or slaped on a turntable it was the day I decided I wanted to make music rather than spin it. and when ableton Live changed the rules, It meant I could mention the word 'Live Music Performance' with computers, without thinking about being a "DJ".

From Wiki: A disc jockey, also known as DJ (or deejay), is a person who selects and plays recorded music for an audience. Originally, disk referred to phonograph records, while disc referred to the Compact Disc, and has become the more common spelling. Today, the term includes all forms of music playback, no matter the medium. (But is the term still relevant ?)

Could you guy's not think of youselves as "Musical Performers" rather than "DJ's" I just think were sometimes bending towards terms we need to untangle.

"Ableton should have a DJ mode ?"

[3phase]

main thing about djing is indeed the selection..evrything else is in the fx and gimmicks department...

a selection with a laptop is another thing than selecting form a record case.. on the case there are optcal indications that recall memorys that identify a track... thtas a different thing than going thru a a written list with names..

the good thing about the written list is.finally dj´s earn the name of the artists and tracks..

in former times they realy mostly wasnt aware of that..the red record... the blue record...


So what ableton live actually needs to be a dj software is rather a better browser than timcode vinyl support...

face it..the ableton browser, especially on dark colour chemes or zoomed screens settings is more or less unreadable on stage..

so an independent zoomable browser window and independent colourchemes for that browser window incl negativ fonts..so white on black are the first thing needed and dead easy to implement..

also beneficial for the non dj´s..


To get this a bit more advanced we could have free placeable and szise able browse windows..and maybe two of them...

next step.. look at apples file system with the catalog view..such a thing with functions to easily iconize tracks...

and than look to apples i tunes.. how you can create and drag playlists in there..

that kind of functionality that allow the dj to easily sort and acces tracks with icons and cover art what so ever..

maybe track selectiv pop up browser windows? whatever..

actually i hope live never becomes dj software and rather concentrates on the interactive live show side of things..but as said above.. better browser overview wouldnt hurt there either and the iconize functions for titels might also be something like a bigger search window inside the browse window that maybe can be able to just show specially markes items.. so you click in the main browser window for example on the audio fx rack folder and the icon window shows in a bigger font just special items that can be selected and safed projekt related.. so you just see some fx rack you might want to add on stage.. or an intelligent mode.. just shows the ones you lately used.. or again in a dj mode. icons for track files.. however..apples catalog/galery view is way cooler for track selection..

In general live is lacking functioality to browse sample and loop libs in comfortable ways.. fruity loops is much better in that regard..
the actual way with the folder in the folder in the folder and than you finaly see the sample file itself is just dreadfull.. a nerdish nightmare somehow..it rather hides content from you instead allowing quick acces and selection.

[andyb19844]

I'm always a bit amazed that DJs even try to use Live for actual DJing, or anything particularly close

Live was originally for electronic musicians to perform their bleepy breaky tunes,and I can totally see that people doing some sort of 'live mashup' DJ performance would find Live perfect for them. But for the more standard DJ it's baffled me, because on the dancefloor when punters hear one of their favourite tunes coming in DO NOT want to hear 18 tons of beatrepeat all over it, or similar. It's just over-working it. Just let the good times flow and keep your over tweaky hands out of the way.

When a performer plays their own tunes then the short-attention-span clip triggering beat-repeat spasms are the expression of the artist themself, so that's what the audience are coming for. But if the audience has come to just dance to big tunes mixed well, then all that extra clippy action is just annoying.

If you just want to play tunes to people, use something else. If you want to create stuff live, then use Live.

A million DJs all over the world in the EDM community use live to DJ with and produce live .There is no limits. Traktor is better but there is tracks that wont sync right and live does a great job at warping them. Im not trying to change albeton just wish there was a patch that would allow you too see all 4 channels at once with EQ's, Effects,and other things. I dont know what you mean by beat repeat ya alot of DJ use that as and effect , I use a delay sometimes. PLus ableton coul make alot more money then the serrato bridge ,by just making a seperate DJ interface .

[3phase]

A million DJs all over the world in the EDM community use live to DJ with and produce live .There is no limits. Traktor is better but there is tracks that wont sync right and live does a great job at warping them. Im not trying to change albeton just wish there was a patch that would allow you too see all 4 channels at once with EQ's, Effects,and other things. I dont know what you mean by beat repeat ya alot of DJ use that as and effect , I use a delay sometimes. PLus ableton coul make alot more money then the serrato bridge ,by just making a seperate DJ interface .

a million? sure.. everybody is a dj incl god... When ableton really would have sold a million copys the could afford better developers.

I however wouldnt mind if al this dj functionalitys would get a special program version ,and all this max functionalitys...
and than a stage version optimized for that. incl loading of other projekts while playing and other goodies one might need..projket loading while playing might help dj´s too

[andyb19844]

no, it should remain music software.

YOu wouldnt have to change nothing . Ableton opened up a whole world of doodrs for DJ's. I could use channels 1 23 for Djing mp3's and the other for adding live synths or drum machines in. all that ask is a small view where i can see 2 or 3 waves at the same time as well as my eq's and filter,,THIS IS NOT A PAIN STAKING CHANGE

[S4racen]

a million? sure.. everybody is a dj incl god... When ableton really would have sold a million copys the could afford better developers.

I however wouldnt mind if al this dj functionalitys would get a special program version ,and all this max functionalitys...
and than a stage version optimized for that. incl loading of other projekts while playing and other goodies one might need..projket loading while playing might help dj´s too

What are you going on about? Do you ever read your own posts back to yourself and think you could have done something worthwhile with the time it took to write them?

Cheers
D

[andyb19844]

yeah curious, why do djs choose ableton over serato or traktor or the other products out there? I'm talking about straight-play-off-cd djs

Because Live is the only DAW that can be used to play "Live" and after a while using it as an "DJing" tool you probably will hit the record button, change to arrangement and begin to learn how to produce, and after this you will probably RETURN to session view, but now to really use Live to what it's designed for IMO, you will play YOUR loops, from your tracks, jamming with synths, recording on the fly, using step sequencers, etc, etc, etc

That's what happened to me, if I need to DJ today, I'll probably use CDJs, but it will be very very BORING to me...

Live is just ... amazing !!!

I understand all the problems, crashes, etc that many people complain, but to ME it's simply, stable, I had some problems when started with Live 5 on PC, but after moving to OSX I do not have nothing to say...

^ this guy gets it, ableton has too many options for me not to DJ and produce live with it. They wouldnt even have to change anything really. Just make a view where you could group eq wave forms and filters in one view . I do use traktor but there are certain tracks that dont work well in traktor that I ahve to warp in ableton which is huge for DJs

[andyb19844]

A million DJs all over the world in the EDM community use live to DJ with and produce live .There is no limits. Traktor is better but there is tracks that wont sync right and live does a great job at warping them. Im not trying to change albeton just wish there was a patch that would allow you too see all 4 channels at once with EQ's, Effects,and other things. I dont know what you mean by beat repeat ya alot of DJ use that as and effect , I use a delay sometimes. PLus ableton coul make alot more money then the serrato bridge ,by just making a seperate DJ interface .

a million? sure.. everybody is a dj incl god... When ableton really would have sold a million copys the could afford better developers.

I however wouldnt mind if al this dj functionalitys would get a special program version ,and all this max functionalitys...
and than a stage version optimized for that. incl loading of other projekts while playing and other goodies one might need..projket loading while playing might help dj´s too

People keep talking like we need to change all this n that , All you would have to do is make a session view where you can se 2 or 3 waves forms horizontal and with the EQ's and filter on one screen., just the setup ,its not that drastic

[3phase]

a million? sure.. everybody is a dj incl god... When ableton really would have sold a million copys the could afford better developers.

I however wouldnt mind if al this dj functionalitys would get a special program version ,and all this max functionalitys...
and than a stage version optimized for that. incl loading of other projekts while playing and other goodies one might need..projket loading while playing might help dj´s too

What are you going on about? Do you ever read your own posts back to yourself and think you could have done something worthwhile with the time it took to write them?

Cheers
D

i think its worthwhile to mention that live, even when it is the best availabel stage software, is far from an ideal stage software..

you ask for dj functionalitys.. i say fine..because that would clog the program even more.. but please a beter stage version first..

But because ableton is very much into compromize implementations i mentioned that an enhanced broweser is something that helps dj´s..and live sets and studio use when this is a concept that also allows better libary content browsing and sample access...

This is of cause just rough points but defently more worthwhile than asking for things that anyway wont happen.. therfore i mentioned the removing of the max functionality..of cause that wont happen.. as your special dj version.

so when you want better dj functionality think about what easily could be changed in the program to allow better djíng.. without interfearing withr the intended main purpose of the program..

By asking for an extra version you are wasting more time than i do.