Ableton 9 , seriously.. whats up with that ?

[Angstrom]

It's a fair question, but pointless as it's not going to get an answer.
At least not until ableton appear at some trade show or other. Whenever that is.

You think anyone here has the slightest idea whats going on ?
Nope.
When it comes to future products Ableton are so secretive they make Apple seem chatty.

Also, as has been said on here before : the idea of a "total rewrite" is a complete misunderstanding of reality. It's not how things really work. It's a fantasy version of coding where perfection on multiple systems can be anticipated and delivered concisely. That's not how it works.

[Bionecteur]

Sorry, but I can't see what's the problem with the OPs question.

Abletons are veeery quiet for a long time now and I'm very sure TK isn't the only one here, how's curious when we all will get some news.

For me it's ok, if it takes it's time, but it would be nice to know, if they do a complete rewrite to fix the old core related issues like sync-problems, session view automation aso. And I'm also hoping for some GUI-news, because working with internal instruments and fx doesn't do well since screen resolutions got higher.

So maybe TK has similar reasons for being curious and it's not while he a three year old kid, hows techno tracks sound muddy.

And now you can fetch up your verbal weapons again and shoot on me!

C.

wow, I never did that before (and maybe I never do this again...)and is totally off topic ...but toph , seriously , I think your output as Soehngenetic is really fantastic. "Second hand" is one of my favs.

Now, back to the topic...I hope that they are also working still working on 8, it is still buggy when you work with 3rd party plugs...I do not care for 9, if I still have crashes every day with 8.

Uwe

[verstaerker]

And I'm also hoping for some GUI-news, because working with internal instruments and fx doesn't do well since screen resolutions got higher.

not that i would complain about gui-improvements, but you know that you can scale up the graphics in Live?

[toph]

It's a fair question, but pointless as it's not going to get an answer.

I think that should be as clear to TK as it is to me. But anyway as some of the Abletons seem to read this board, it might not be wrong to ask from time to time. - If that's boring to you, why don't you just answer that and instead start to blame on the OP?

I don't know much about programming, but what you say doesn't sound promising regarding to Live. If those issues doesn't get fixed, not only a few people will look for an alternative.

Please don't get me wrong, the main reason I contributed to this thread was because I think, that there are a lot much more senseless thread on this board, that nobody attacks.

wow, I never did that before (and maybe I never do this again...)and is totally off topic ...but toph , seriously , I think your output as Soehngenetic is really fantastic. "Second hand" is one of my favs.

Haha, thanks a lot. - I'm just working on a new one, as I now finally can use the name again.

not that i would complain about gui-improvements, but you know that you can scale up the graphics in Live?

Yes, I know. But as there is no chance to use the zoom with a controller, it's quite useless to me at the moment. I just would love to have bigger instruments and fx GUIs, anything else is fine to me and my glasses.

C.

[Bionecteur]

Haha, thanks a lot. - I'm just working on a new one, as I now finally can use the name again.


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Good to hear that!! keep it coming!

[Angstrom]

It's a fair question, but pointless as it's not going to get an answer.

I think that should be as clear to TK as it is to me. But anyway as some of the Abletons seem to read this board, it might not be wrong to ask from time to time. - If that's boring to you, why don't you just answer that and instead start to blame on the OP?

I'm not sure how you understood what I wrote, but it's incorrect. All I posted was that I could understand if the programmers just walked away! A flippant comment on the subject of developing Live9 that's true, but not at all attacking the OP.
Merely interacting with my own take on the situation, where none of us know anything I may as well say "I'm glad I'm not them having to do this" .

Is that really so bad? Please highlight my words where I attack the OP

I don't know much about programming, but what you say doesn't sound promising regarding to Live. If those issues doesn't get fixed, not only a few people will look for an alternative.

No, what it means is that fixing the issues does not involve "a total rewrite", it just means finding fixes for issues. It's often mentioned that "Live needs a total rewrite" but that's madness. Imagine if a guitar had bad feedback in certain situations, and the crowd started saying "remake the guitar, get new wood, get new strings!" until the audio engineer says, "um how about if we try moving the guitarists monitor back a little, or how about we face his amps over this way." And suddenly that problem is fixed.
No rewrite, no "start again from scratch". Just quite mundane fixes applied to existing situations.
They may swap out big chunks of code from time to time, but if they ever "started again from scratch" you would see bugs galore. This isn't an Ableton issue, that's just how these things are. Any project.

a long time back another user posted this link on the subject

Microsoft almost made the same mistake, trying to rewrite Word for Windows from scratch in a doomed project called Pyramid which was shut down, thrown away, and swept under the rug. Lucky for Microsoft, they had never stopped working on the old code base, so they had something to ship, making it merely a financial disaster, not a strategic one.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/ ... 00069.html

[toph]

I'm not sure how you understood what I wrote, but it's incorrect. All I posted was that I could understand if the programmers just walked away! A flippant comment on the subject of developing Live9 that's true, but not at all attacking the OP.
Merely interacting with my own take on the situation, where none of us know anything I may as well say "I'm glad I'm not them having to do this" .

Hmm, looks like my English is too bad and I got you wrong. I thought that this was refering to TK:

Seriously, is there a worse market than belligerent amateurs armed with bad info and the self-entitlement of a 3 year old.
"you guys suck, my techno sounds muddy!"

Regarding to the programming-issue: Didn't the Abletons themselves tell us that the syncing- and session-automation-issues are core-related and not fixable without rewriting the core or parts of it? - As I told before: I'm not into that (luckily).

No offence meant!

C.

[docprosper]

Live 9 doesn't exist

...then what have I been beta testing for the past six months? c'mon, guys, srsly...

[Angstrom]

I'm not sure how you understood what I wrote, but it's incorrect. All I posted was that I could understand if the programmers just walked away! A flippant comment on the subject of developing Live9 that's true, but not at all attacking the OP.
Merely interacting with my own take on the situation, where none of us know anything I may as well say "I'm glad I'm not them having to do this" .

Hmm, looks like my English is too bad and I got you wrong. I thought that this was refering to TK:

Seriously, is there a worse market than belligerent amateurs armed with bad info and the self-entitlement of a 3 year old.
"you guys suck, my techno sounds muddy!"

Heh, no not at all - I just mean that Ableton have a lot of customers(in general)who are males in the 16-30 group, who want to be recognized as a pimp making massive tunes, people who have a very odd view of reality. I would not like my clients to include such a large bunch of bitter complainers! I would last 10 minutes in that job before I told my customers where to go!

Regarding to the programming-issue: Didn't the Abletons themselves tell us that the syncing- and session-automation-issues are core-related and not fixable without rewriting the core or parts of it? - As I told before: I'm not into that (luckily).
No offence meant!
C.

I think the issue you refer to was user assignable LFOs and Automation in session, where Robert Henke said that the reason it hadn't been added so far was that it went against how Live currently works. IE: that Session has modulation values which are relative to the absolute values of arrangement. And sure - if they fixed that then it would require that part of the code being re-written, but that is pretty much what happens when any new feature is added eh? Only for this they would need to be very careful, more careful than when they added groups, or even when they added MIDI. Still - not a "total rewrite". More of a careful interleaving of existing code with new code. (I would guess)

My point is merely that every year people have these conversations about what might or might not be included the next version complete with posts like: "If they don't add a new X I will be VERY VERY ANGRY", followed by a post later on, by someone else "WTF man, I just heard they ain't adding a new X !!11!! this shit suxx balls!!!"

It makes Apple product speculation seem tame and well informed!

[ollyb303]

will we see 9 before 12/21/2012 or what ?

Why the rush?

Rush ? uhmm... is like... 2 years allready that 8 is out , u call that rush ???

No, I call wanting a piece of software before the company even announced it rush.

[ark]

Summer NAMM 2011 starts on July 21.

[Machinesworking]

Summer NAMM 2011 starts on July 21.

This is a good guess. I don't remember them making announcements at NAMM, but realistically they aren't going to announce 9 until at least 45 days after their 33% off sale. My guess is even later, but considering that they probably have a good amount of 17-30 year olds in collage that buy in the summer, sometime this summer does make sense. What also makes sense is them generating revenue and they really haven't as much as they used to with the 2+ years status of Live 8. So 9 cannot be far off.

To those complaining or mocking predictions anticipations of a newer version of Live, what the hell are you doing on a company forum if you don't expect this topic to pop up? I'm curious, because Live is important to me, and seeing what they cook up next is fun.

[crumhorn]

will we see 9 before 12/21/2012 or what ?

Why the rush?

In a Rush would be probably 2112 not 2012.

[ollyb303]

I liked it when this forum was all about useful tips and helping each other, not just wishing for the next version and bitching about what we have now...

[Captain Johnson]

I like Ableton 8 and always have very few issues on my macs. Don't see the need to rush 9 personally. Now I've upgraded to suite I'm very content...