delicioso wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:@3dot, yes their synths rock, I use Absynth all the time, and Kontakt and Massive etc. but they can bite my ass when it comes to their slash and burn policy towards software. Like I said other companies out there have a long history of upgrading their software for the next OS's etc. or making valiant attempts. NI do not.
What makes you think that? Then why is NI updating their "discontinued" Kore 2 to work with the next OS update (Lion):
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... hp?t=56654
and making it 64 bit compatible? And B4, Pro-53...etc all still work with current OSes.
Because I've used their products for 7+ years now and my list of discontinued products is far larger than my list of currently supported products from them.
You're being naive if you think that support for Lion means that NI will support Lion throughout it's lifespan. If an update to Lion breaks Kore a little over a year from now NI will not feel at all responsible to fix it. Same is true with Some new version of Live, or Logic, Cubase etc. 64 bit will undoubtably bring a few DAWs or plug in manufacturers that exclusively work with VST3 which Kore will not support.... I'm glad they're supporting 64 bit and Lion for sure, but I have not a single bit of confidence that this support will go much beyond about May 2012. The whole point of discontinuing Kore is to move resources to Maschine and like I said, I've been through the gamut with NI:
the OSX move from OS9 was brutally slow, NI released new products while others simply weren't ported, The Intel move was brutally slow, NI again spent their resources in other areas. Reaktor remained a buggy peice of shit on OSX until about 4.19 (roughly), a whole version was a nightmare for so many that NI was the constant target of people online and in person. Kontakt had issues with crashes pre 2.0, Battery would mess with Live... Komplete Care was introduced very obviously as a money generator with little thought into the simple fact that coders cannot guarantee new upgrades on any sort for time frame with two OS's, three plug in platforms, and 6+ major DAWs to ensure compatibility and bug test in. This was a complete public relations nightmare when over a year went by with not major upgrades to any of their software. So people had paid $250 for nothing.... I can go on and on with this. Great products when resources are allowed for them, but there are absolutely zero guarantees with Kore here, we get 64 bit support, and Lion 1.0 support, if nothing breaks in updates to Lion or Live then Kore will have a longer life, but the only guarantee here is that NI are not going to be supporting Kore with resources after Lion and 64 bit support is implemented.I'm glad they're at least doing this, but don't think that for a moment its' all fun and games here, Kore is now officially a discontinued product which means that the major issues with RTAS support in Pro Tools are very likely not going to be resolved, the state the plug in is in now is the state you will see it in on Lion and in 64 bit.
You like NI, so do I, but I have no qualms about stating flatly that they're by far the rockiest ride of all the companies I deal with for plug ins and the most likely to break older songs with incompatibility issues. NI are in fact the main reason I now print all tracks to audio, even if the song is shelved and partially finished. They also have become the most expensive to keep up with. I would have thought otherwise lately, but the simple fact is if I want to still use NI to host my plug ins inside Live and DP7 etc. as a single plug in in the future, I'm going to have to buy a $500+ drum/percussion oriented software and hardware combination within the next five months to get a whopping $50 savings off of what I can pick it up for in the stores right now. This is with no guarantee that any of the other advanced performance oriented features of Kore will be ported to Machine.
The Mouth isn't even near Vokator as far as a Vocoder is concerned. We're talking less the 1/4 the parameters to manipulate the sound with just to start. Thomas is being a bit disingenuous about B4 and Vinatge Organs there, which makes sense, one is an active product by his company the other is not, we could argue about that some more but what's the point? There is/was more possibility for sound variation in B4. I'll check out Prism.
Who said it's a "sampler"? Did you even read what NI said in that link?: