POLL: Maschine / MPD 18/32 / MPC 500/1000/2500

The Carpet Cleaner · Post by **The Carpet Cleaner** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:14 pm

Lol your free to choose, but it's funny that even though you launched a vote and the result is massively in favor of maschine, you decide to go on another way.

Next time don't ask me !

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:15 am

reeloy wrote:....btt...

I love mpcs.....and i worked on a mpc ONLY thoughtout almost all nineties...
Logic and a little pro tools where used only at the end of the line....
But nowadays the computer has won....since we have sampleaccurate timing on softwaresamplers, they can groove, too......

So, no....don't go for a mpc....only if you wanna get rid of the computer at all....

Maschine is all over the place.....and i don't like the tracks out of the box preset sucker concept of ni....makes you always sound like all the other semi wanna bees out there....

I use a mpd 32....best contoler and really a mpc, just with no sequencing and sampling engine...but with the swingquantise...with roll/flam knob...gliding quantisations....and all the other stuff that makes a mpc so sexy and maschine such a rippoff .....simple as that...works...on and with everything...

But last week i saw arturias "maschine" spark.....wow, that one is a killerl......super tight and super white....well, ok, the colour....but it sounds and works amazing...
that machine really rocks.....
The best in realtimeperformance i've ever saw....

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:41 am

you might regret your decision, I've read through every post in this thread and on several you've assumed that maschine is another 'platform' that is just too much to learn for yourself and your mate, to me that's the most telling item in the thread because it's the farthest from the reality regarding maschine, it seems that no one has brought up how easy maschine is to use even whilst many have brought up it's tighter than a mosquitos bum integration. Maschine is the easiest to use of everything listed in the thread even the mpc, even though there are some things unique to the mpc at this point still for ease of use maschine is the winner, it's as easy as it is to use crack for a crackhead, the duplicating of events, the copying of pads, of groups and kits, scenes is simply easier on maschine than anything else. I find it difficult to believe that you really looked at the slew of video tutorials that josh of native instruments has up on youtube, btw these are the official native instruments tutorials that I'm talking about with the bald dude. I challenge you to find and show me any other tutorial video for anything from ableton live to the mpc that is as simple as the functions in those tutorials which really cover more than enough of what one probably needs to use maschine at an intermediate level, once again if you're working with your mate and you don't want to have to use additional kit that is difficult to learn, get up and running, and even do more than just basic stuff then Maschine is not only the piece that fits the bill but it does it so 10 fold and if your mate decides to pick one up as well your collaborations will only benefit greatly from the use of maschine......

ok lets recap one last time for the road........there are like 20 something tutorials on maschine, look at each one and tell me what alternative is easier than maschine..... there's nothing even close. and the only way arturia spark would be as good as maschine is if you ran spark inside maschine, which you can do btw.

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:51 am

aizo · Post by **aizo** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:20 am

starving student wrote:you might regret your decision, I've read through every post in this thread and on several you've assumed that maschine is another 'platform' that is just too much to learn for yourself and your mate, to me that's the most telling item in the thread because it's the farthest from the reality regarding maschine, it seems that no one has brought up how easy maschine is to use even whilst many have brought up it's tighter than a mosquitos bum integration.

Huh? I was the first post and my comment was that it is mad easy:

"Ima say it again. Maschine is ridiculous. It is so easy it makes me mad. It's workflow is so fast that I literally get upset that the beat making part is over. It's a great tool man!"

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:52 am

aizo wrote:
starving student wrote:you might regret your decision, I've read through every post in this thread and on several you've assumed that maschine is another 'platform' that is just too much to learn for yourself and your mate, to me that's the most telling item in the thread because it's the farthest from the reality regarding maschine, it seems that no one has brought up how easy maschine is to use even whilst many have brought up it's tighter than a mosquitos bum integration.
Huh? I was the first post and my comment was that it is mad easy:

"Ima say it again. Maschine is ridiculous. It is so easy it makes me mad. It's workflow is so fast that I literally get upset that the beat making part is over. It's a great tool man!"

yeah man I don't know what 23kon is talking about, the maschine is hard to learn bit just doesn't hold water.

23kon · Post by **23kon** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:20 am

I've watched all the tutorials on Maschine.
I'm not saying it's hard to learn - just saying it's yet ANOTHER different platform to learn.

Folk have been saying that Maschine gets you away from the computer screen and allows you to do stuff on the controller itself. To be honest, I actually prefer working on a computer screen as opposed to screens of controllers for programming.

I'm not dissing Maschine at all. It does look amazing.

My decision was made in the fact that i'd worked out that i dont need it at the moment.
Main concern is to get a load of unfinished tunes finished rather than having to learn something new.
I was wanting a pad controller to be able to knock out new beats and loops, thats all.

At work at the mo so that might not've been that great a reply but will reply later with better.

delicioso · Post by **delicioso** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:04 pm

Machinesworking wrote:I use NI kit and think they should slow the hell down with the slash and burn routine

I think the Kore whiners should quit it with the NI bashing. NI's current product line will continue to be developed for a long time to come. Here's what they said last week:
"Excluding Kore from the future roadmap gives the developers more time for all the other products, so in that sense it makes further discontinuations less likely in the first place.

Actually Battery as well as all other current products will continue to be developed for a long time to come, with absolutely no plans to the contrary. You can take that as an official word from me."
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... stcount=16

delicioso · Post by **delicioso** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:38 pm

23kon wrote:I'm not saying it's hard to learn - just saying it's yet ANOTHER different platform to learn.

Maschine is about the most intuitive yet powerful music production tool available. It's all about the simplicity and ease of use which is a big part of what has made it so popular. You can sit down with it in a single afternoon and get going with it.

23kon wrote:Folk have been saying that Maschine gets you away from the computer screen and allows you to do stuff on the controller itself. To be honest, I actually prefer working on a computer screen as opposed to screens of controllers for programming.

Nope. Maschine just gives you the option to get away from the computer screen and the mouse if and when you want to. It's just flexible enough for different workflow preferences.

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:19 pm

A few years ago I bought a MPC1000 after reading all the hype and watching the countless misleading “you’ll be rockin’ within minutes of taking it out of the box, yo!” videos on youtube. Once I got it I mostly stared at it blankly and it was soon collecting dust. About a year later I loaned it to a friend who was interested in it for the same reasons I was. He also quickly transitioned it to a dust collector.

A few months ago I sold it to a member of this forum for less than half of what I paid for it (when you consider the HD I put in it) because that is the current going average price.

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:36 pm

don't get me wrong 23kon I think you should use whatever you want, I was just saying that basically your worries over the extra learning imho were not founded since maschine is the easiest thing to learn
on your list, btw I went with the mpc on your list, the 2500 to be exact but maschine is really a no brainer

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:00 pm

delicioso wrote: I think the Kore whiners should quit it with the NI bashing.

Did you integrate Kore into your setup? into every song you do? into your live shows?
If you didn't then you have no room to talk.

Sure NI are now saying that they aren't going to discontinue Battery etc.
That really doesn't mean squat if you've been a customer of theirs for the last 7 years. You want to make a gentleman's bet on this?
In the next five years NI will discontinue Battery, and probably a few other of their current plug ins. Their past points to this behavior, and if you choose to think that they'll continue to upgrade Battery or any other plug in past the point to where they're making money off of it at the rate of whatever new product is selling like hotcakes for them, then you haven't been paying attention to their history.

23kon · Post by **23kon** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:27 pm

Starving student - still to check out the links you posted although i think ive probably seen them all as ive been researching a lot over the past couple of weeks as maschine has and still is a serious contender.

Im getting myself a new DEDICATED music laptop, thats decided!
Reason being so that i dont have to setup this laptop im currently using for web, working from home AND music.
Each time I want to use it ive got to clear space, plug controllers and soundcard in.
It isnt a huge hassle, just too much hassle for a quick sit down and arseabout.

That's one of the reasons I was considering an MPC - so that once i'd got the hang of it i'd be able to use it to fill spare time.
I hear what you are saying 'BeatsMe' and I think i'd probably be the same. I hate reading manuals, always have done.

The thing that's got me more into Ableton Live's capabilities than any other sampler/effects/technology that i've ever had is all the useful video tutorials out there. seriously!

As for NI discontinueing products, I dont know much about the company or the past. As an outsider I can see the disadvantages of not wanting to buy a NI product that only supported NI instruments etc so I guess that's why they've allowed it to support VSTs in this latest version. It means they'll have opened up their marketplace massively.
Theres so many users of their product now that they could never go and discontinue or not support it.
It's a piece of software that will evolve and a controller that can adapt and evolve too (via software).
I guess that some of these synths that you are talking about are amazing things but I bet they are proper "muso" stuff that not everyone would have the head to get into. i.e. not mass market! not the size of market that can justify teams of developers working on.

Starving Student, i'm gonna look through those videos again.
It was the Darren Price Underworld video that got me thinking that if I got it before sitting down and finishing off all my current work then I could use it to finish this actual work and tailor it as im going for live performance WITH maschine and work with maschine going forward too.

I know my mate I make tunes with is just going to LOVE me when I turn around and say "btw your going to have to get one of these too". He dislikes me already for the amount of controllers ive went through in search of perfection to suit the way i work.

23kon · Post by **23kon** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:33 pm

I should say ....

The concern I have of Maschine is that it looks quite restrictive in terms of live performance tweaking and triggering.

At the moment my live setup is
- iPad with TouchAble (launch scenes/clips/tweak vol+sends/effect parameters)
- Novation Nocturn (to tweak any other parameters)
That's a lot of tweaking and control with minimal fecking about between screens

Can Maschine such control with such ease and so quickly in succession during live performance?

delicioso · Post by **delicioso** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:48 pm

23kon wrote:I should say ....

The concern I have of Maschine is that it looks quite restrictive in terms of live performance tweaking and triggering.

At the moment my live setup is
- iPad with TouchAble (launch scenes/clips/tweak vol+sends/effect parameters)
- Novation Nocturn (to tweak any other parameters)
That's a lot of tweaking and control with minimal fecking about between screens

Can Maschine such control with such ease and so quickly in succession during live performance?

Those are exactly the type of things that Maschine excels at with all the dedicated controls and the resulting hands-on workflow. What "looks quite restrictive" to you?

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