Propellerhead Reason 6 announced!

[MIDIpanic]

I'm sure you get the option of using both bit versions of Reason. They would be the first to have 64 bit if it came to that.

Propellerhead's FAQ's indicate that there will no longer be a 32 bit version of Reason. Because Reason and Record are being merged into Reason 6, I think that Reason (and its ReWire connection) will now only be offered in 64 bit.

Unfortunately, unlike the outstanding Vienna Ensemble Pro 64-32 bit VST bridge, there is no comparable 64-32 bit ReWire bridge available that I am aware of (unless Ablton builds one into the next update of Live).

[Rationalizer]

Propellerhead's FAQ's indicate that there will no longer be a 32 bit version of Reason. Because Reason and Record are being merged into Reason 6, I think that Reason (and its ReWire connection) will now only be offered in 64 bit.

If that is the case, then we have all the more reason (pun intended) to wish, no demand, that live 9 supports 64 bit. And would be really nice to have a preliminary release date for it also.

[kitekrazy]

In regards to Reason, the only thing I've truly been impressed by is the NNXT's pitch detection.

It hasn't worked for me. Neither sampler will load 32 bit files either. They have the worst integrated samplers out there.

32 bit files? How much storage do you have? I've never even come across a 32 bit sample. Am I living in the stone age?

You must be. There is 32 bit int or 32 bit float. It's confusing mess to me but Daws and sound editors will you that option to export. Truth is NNXT or Advanced con't import those while every other sampler I have can.

[kitekrazy]

I'm sure you get the option of using both bit versions of Reason. They would be the first to have 64 bit if it came to that.

Propellerhead's FAQ's indicate that there will no longer be a 32 bit version of Reason. Because Reason and Record are being merged into Reason 6, I think that Reason (and its ReWire connection) will now only be offered in 64 bit.

Unfortunately, unlike the outstanding Vienna Ensemble Pro 64-32 bit VST bridge, there is no comparable 64-32 bit ReWire bridge available that I am aware of (unless Ablton builds one into the next update of Live).

Props hold the rights to Rewire. I don't think anyone other than them can make a 64 bit Rewire.
I still think it's odd for them to leave the end user no choice but to use 64 bit. If there's instability issues then they can't use the 32 bit counterpart which from my experience can be more stable.

[MIDIpanic]

I am trying to contact Propellerhead support to get clarification. Hopefully they will have a work-around planned because it will affect anyone dependent upon a 32 bit host (such as Live and ProTools). I just purchased Omnisphere which should make me less dependent upon Reason; but there are just some things that I like about Reason that would be difficult to replace. Fotunately I CAN use the 64 bit version of Omnisphere (and my other 64 bit VST's) because of Vienna Ensemble Pro.

[headquest]

I'm sure there's some confusion here... according to the system requirements Reason 6 will work on 32-bit systems, e.g. Windows XP SP3. I would assume that like all programmes that have x64 versions, there will be two installs available - the 32-bit and 64-bit versions. The end user chooses. If you install the 64-bit version I guess this means you are on an x64 system, and will get the 64-bit rewire. The obvious alternative is to install the 32-bit version, which should work just the same in 32-bit Live.

[hoffman2k]

I'm sure there's some confusion here... according to the system requirements Reason 6 will work on 32-bit systems, e.g. Windows XP SP3. I would assume that like all programmes that have x64 versions, there will be two installs available - the 32-bit and 64-bit versions. The end user chooses. If you install the 64-bit version I guess this means you are on an x64 system, and will get the 64-bit rewire. The obvious alternative is to install the 32-bit version, which should work just the same in 32-bit Live.

Isn't rewire a package that almost always is installed when a DAW is first initialized?
Like if you update Live, first thing it does is install rewire.
So unless Live goes 64-bit, it probably won't install the 64-bit version.

[headquest]

Correct, so you would want to instal the 32 bit version of Reason 6 for now.

[MIDIpanic]

Sorry. I must have missed the reference to 32 bit compatibility; or the FAQ’s have been updated on the Propellerhead website since I viewed them. Perhaps this is why companies like Albleton are slow to release a 64 bit version: because they have to maintain ongoing support and updates for both the 32 bit and 64 bit versions. So I will look forward to upgrading to Reason 6 when it is released in September. Hopefully Ableton will do the same with Live 9 and offer both 32 and 64 bit versions soon.

[headquest]

I think it's the norm - usually there are 32 bit or 64 bit installers in the same way that there are Mac vs PC ones. It's just another option and you install what is best for you.

One this they have not made clear yet is whether it would be possible to install both the 64 bit AND 32 bit versions on the same system. If so you could then run 64 bit Reason standalone, but open 32 bit Reason as a rewire client in Ableton.

Some of this is a little speculative, but it is clear from the system requirements that there will be a 32 bit version on WinXP at the least.

[Earwax69]

More tools = more possibilities! I cant wait to try it. I didnt update to 5 as I now mainly use Ableton but I think it would a good time to spend the money. Im not so fond of the rewire workflow though. I bit too slow for my taste but I like to work in reason standalone. The new REX look a bit intimidating though... hopefuly its going to be easy to catch up.

[pgmjsd]

It could be worse. Cakewalk use to do annual versions. If you wanted a bug fix it might be addressed in the new version. I kinda respect Live for coming out and saying, "yeah 8 is messy so we won't wait for 9 to fix it".

+1 ableton might have a few bugs (I personally didnt have that many, and those I have a been fixed) but they fix there stuff...

I think there will be Cubase 9, Reason 9, Logic 9 (already), ProTools 9 (already), Etc........ and Still No Live 9! ¬¬
Honestly I love Ableton but Reason 6 looks interesting, I think I'll try it! I hate still No VST Support ¬¬ but looks great anyway!

Chill out do you how long ableton exist compared to some of these other co.

Cubase current version 6 (released in 2011)
Version 1 1989

Reason current version 5 (6 soon to be released)
Version 1 2000

Logic current version 9 (release 2009)
version 1 around 1990

Protools current version 9 (release 2011)
version 1 1991

Ableton current version 8 (release 2010)
version 1 2001

Ableton has been releasing new versions alot faster then any other software co. out there.
It started it off people laughed it off as some gimmick software now not even 10 years later people are expecting to do all that the other full fledge daws do and then some.

They have doing great work inovating digital audio, there still room for improvement

Cubase and reason are still YEARS away from version 9, its just a damn number

To go back on topic, the presets sound great in reason but the work flow is kinda of drage. Drag and drop digital cables is a bugger.
Even though I respect reason I feel its digital audio for people who are still hooked up analog.
There two different worlds they both have there ups and downs.
Analog is loosing some its ground and some people are nostalgic of that.
Ableton celebrates the future.

I am confident that when ableton 9 comes out we wont be disapointed

Yes. Version numbers are not relevant. Each company has their own style of development, and their own way of deciding what does / does not go into a given release cycle.

[fhyio]

Reason 6 is going to smash ableton. I'm actually thinking of selling ableton and getting reason 6 or just keeping both. Propellerheads have been in the game for years. Also, ableton can't even write a stable program that dosen't crash, and its only become fully professional since version 7. Reason is lightweight and dosen't crash at all. Unless ableton do something pretty damn good, they are going to make the same mistake emagic did with logic just before apple bought them, which is complacency. Personally, I haven't got that much time and dedication to follow companies and Ableton haven't really rewarded their users for spending their hard-earned bucks. They offer a few free racks, but thats about it. This is just my personal opinion, but I think its pretty right.

[kitekrazy]

Reason 6 is going to smash ableton. I'm actually thinking of selling ableton and getting reason 6 or just keeping both. Propellerheads have been in the game for years. Also, ableton can't even write a stable program that dosen't crash, and its only become fully professional since version 7. Reason is lightweight and dosen't crash at all. Unless ableton do something pretty damn good, they are going to make the same mistake emagic did with logic just before apple bought them, which is complacency. Personally, I haven't got that much time and dedication to follow companies and Ableton haven't really rewarded their users for spending their hard-earned bucks. They offer a few free racks, but thats about it. This is just my personal opinion, but I think its pretty right.

Try using Kontakt, Absynth, Massive, Reaktor, Sylenth, ...do I need to go on in using Reason.
You're also wrong about Logic. It was Apple's ploy to move people away from the PC.
If you hung around any forum where Reason is used in conjunction with other software, most people are content with Reason 4. To many of them Reason 6 is only adding a few racks since they don't care for the "Record" side of the app.
Let's not forget those who are turned off by the dongle and it's proprietary dongle as well.

BTW, they rewarded their users by continuing to fix the current version instead of releasing a new one.

[aizo]

BTW, they rewarded their users by continuing to fix the current version instead of releasing a new one.

or by making the shit work out of the box. I've never had even a hiccup from Reason before. Any version.