How to get that warm/analog sound (e.g. MPC) out of Ableton?

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Re: How to get that warm/analog sound (e.g. MPC) out of Ableton?

Post by H20nly » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:57 pm

Tone Deft wrote:forget trying to sound like anything, forget the effects, forget routing to external gear, forget 'that analog sound' bullshit. just work on making clear sounding music with nice dynamics that you enjoy. you're just starting out, forget all the voodoo crap some people talk and just learn the tools, it's a pointless distraction.

IMO the MPC thing has to do with the workflow and the MPC's swing. the method by which samples are chopped and then beat out on the pads, it can sound very loose. it also has a very simple effects section so I think people don't muck with their samples as much, overthinking the sound and screwing it up. overall it's not an exact of a DAW as a computer, there's slop, lovely lovely slop.

consider this, generally speaking, music sounds better when it's louder. often sound complaints are nothing more than the output being turned down too low. google it, "louder is perceived as better." forget trying to trick your sounds to be analog, just focus on the basics, the rest will come.
no offense to anyone, but i think this is the best advice you've got.

you could run audio through any number of outdated hardware components... you could hit your computer with a dead cat to manipulate the audio engine. you could playback two identical pieces of audio and swear that the summing bus has colored the sound on one of them. you could stick a finger in one ear to adjust the audio, but at the end of the day focus on composing and arranging a beat, then mixing it as best you can with what you have... afterward there are 101 + plugins out there with the word "warmth" either in the name or in the description of what they do... you could add one of them to the Master (if that's what you like) or you could add one to grouped tracks or sends (what i like).

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Re: How to get that warm/analog sound (e.g. MPC) out of Ableton?

Post by djadonis206 » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:22 pm

I love the irony of such good advise and wisdom coming from someone with a handle that says Tone Deft. What's good T? How's it been?
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Re: How to get that warm/analog sound (e.g. MPC) out of Ableton?

Post by Theo Void » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:24 pm

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Re: How to get that warm/analog sound (e.g. MPC) out of Ableton?

Post by andydes » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:27 pm

H20nly wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:forget trying to sound like anything, forget the effects, forget routing to external gear, forget 'that analog sound' bullshit. just work on making clear sounding music with nice dynamics that you enjoy. you're just starting out, forget all the voodoo crap some people talk and just learn the tools, it's a pointless distraction.

IMO the MPC thing has to do with the workflow and the MPC's swing. the method by which samples are chopped and then beat out on the pads, it can sound very loose. it also has a very simple effects section so I think people don't muck with their samples as much, overthinking the sound and screwing it up. overall it's not an exact of a DAW as a computer, there's slop, lovely lovely slop.

consider this, generally speaking, music sounds better when it's louder. often sound complaints are nothing more than the output being turned down too low. google it, "louder is perceived as better." forget trying to trick your sounds to be analog, just focus on the basics, the rest will come.
no offense to anyone, but i think this is the best advice you've got.

you could run audio through any number of outdated hardware components... you could hit your computer with a dead cat to manipulate the audio engine. you could playback two identical pieces of audio and swear that the summing bus has colored the sound on one of them. you could stick a finger in one ear to adjust the audio, but at the end of the day focus on composing and arranging a beat, then mixing it as best you can with what you have... afterward there are 101 + plugins out there with the word "warmth" either in the name or in the description of what they do... you could add one of them to the Master (if that's what you like) or you could add one to grouped tracks or sends (what i like).
Oh yeah, that too.

I think a lot of us need to be reminded of this every now and then, regardless of whether we're new to this or not.

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Re: How to get that warm/analog sound (e.g. MPC) out of Ableton?

Post by The Carpet Cleaner » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:43 pm

nice one tone deaf.
Also, if you want to sound like an mpc... well get an mpc :)
But also you can make your own chain, there is no really right path, so just use gears that you like and have fun

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Re: How to get that warm/analog sound (e.g. MPC) out of Ableton?

Post by Reversoulmusic » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:59 pm

I agree Sausage Fattner is the shinizal

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Re: How to get that warm/analog sound (e.g. MPC) out of Ableton?

Post by Tone Deft » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:08 pm

djadonis206 wrote:What's good T? How's it been?
been great and only getting better. lots of this stuff http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... 8#p1312158 but never enough. should post some new tunes but been lazy.

always dug your beats, still making them?
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Re: How to get that warm/analog sound (e.g. MPC) out of Ableton?

Post by nylarch » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:39 am

I agree Sausage Fattner is the shinizal
Lots of different sounds with only 3 knobs.
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Re: How to get that warm/analog sound (e.g. MPC) out of Ableton?

Post by Tone Deft » Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:05 am

nylarch wrote:
I agree Sausage Fattner is the shinizal
Lots of different sounds with only 3 knobs.
2 knobs. watched the demo, they talk over the whole thing, wth? you'd probably get more out of reading the FREE article in that Loudness thread.
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Re: How to get that warm/analog sound (e.g. MPC) out of Ableton?

Post by nylarch » Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:51 am

3 knobs. The gain is adjustable and creates mayhem.
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Re: How to get that warm/analog sound (e.g. MPC) out of Ableton?

Post by Remains » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:09 am

My favorite thing to do when trying to make mpc style beats in ableton is to add some swing to the beat with the groove pool. After that I go into the mastering effects on ableton and put the analog warmth effect on the track. It can't hurt to add some reverb or a delay to put some space into the beat either as long as you're careful. However these are just simple things I like to do. I've only been doing this for about 5 months so take my advice with a grain of salt.

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