Machinesworking wrote:Most people unconsciously model their families or their childhood perception of a "good" upbringing when raising children, so they play by the "rules", this isn't anything new. Personally I'm eternally grateful to my parents for not playing by the rules and not modeling their parents or literally any codified familial structure. What it gave me is the distinct IMO advantage of not playing the "game", not worrying about what distinguishes me and mine above the herd etc.
All of your posts here are this not so guarded apology for what you obviously see as your own personal selling out, yet you're hiding it behind this framework of your rush towards a middle class level as being attacked by your peers, if that's the case then that's simply your own choices in friends. I personally can't think of one friend of mine that I accused of selling out when they started raising children, but I certainly will make fun of them and hammer at them for their poor choices in entertainment, they watch the Kardashians? I'm going to attack their choices on entertainment a lot more than their choice to spend massive amounts of money on rent or a mortgage so they can live in a wealthier neighborhood because they think that will give their kids an advantage. What you feed your brain does affect your world and consequentially mine.
This is going to quickly become a circular argument though because I'm pretty certain that you're not willing to admit to yourself why this thread has you on the attack, and you undoubtably will see my post as some personal affront, though I'm not the aggressor here; so I think maybe Styles has the right idea in boiling this thread down to a well articulated fart.
Hi MW. I haven't been here for a while, just lurked really. Lots of new 'faces' etc. I thought the thread was a good one to stir something up. Styles kinda took the bait but I was disappointed that he/she went from a possible great retaliation to nothing really. It was always going to be circular or incestuous, wether talking about the cult of celebrity or the cult of family.
Your references though to not 'Playing the Game' are a bit of a delusion. Your recent house purchase and your continued long standing attempt to produce your first 'major' album are games you have decided to enter the play with. They are governed by rules that you do not make and by consequences you are hoping to benefit from both financially and reputation wise, even celebrity wise. You may attempt to disguise and rationalize the results by claiming you 'are different' in someway, perhaps cut from a different clothe or that the rose colored glasses you wear by default make your attempts and result more legitimate than others, but in the end you are on the same treadmill doing the same thing hoping for the same results.
My reference to family as a event for change was not meant to justify my own attempts. I brought it up as one of those major events in a persons life that demand they make decisions about how they will 'take care of business.' so to speak. Wether you take the easy road and follow a model that is the supposed 'normal' way or one that can be described as dysfunctional by the majority, the point is that it is a challenge to most peoples view of reality. Putting ideals into practice is not that easy. For the record, I do not have a concept of selling out. Its not a part of my approach to living.
In terms of celebrity watching, everyone idolizes in some form or fashion. I have watched you in the past list long names of artists you are familiar with and their contribution to music in discussions of all sorts. You appear very knowledgeable of and decidedly critical when needed to make your points. You have mentioned all sorts of details or stories or historical events that make it clear that you have followed these people or these bands lives quite intently. They have been a point of focus for you. The only differences between your focus and others is simply the subject. The irony of this thread is that everyone here will from time to time have a celebrity like focus on someone or something, but just like any herd, will gravitate toward like mindedness and sling shit to those that don't fit in. There will be processes of justifying and rationalizing the exclusion, and so the cycle continues.
And now we are back to the circular, always long distant, not quite aware of the other persons full P.O.V. flatulence. We will end up as usual with everyone saying their farts smell the best
BTW, I am assuming its just a game that we play, and in the end I can only wish you all the best
Cheers.
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