the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

[9V]

a guy on PH forum asked that, because i think only midi tracks are music in a sequencer.

Then why didnt you answer him there.

banned, because propellerhead own rewire. And rewire is not for midi, but for audio. Since i asked for vst support (midi), they banned me.

[rote fahne]

a guy on PH forum asked that, because i think only midi tracks are music in a sequencer.

Then why didnt you answer him there.

banned, because propellerhead own rewire. And rewire is not for midi, but for audio. Since i asked for vst support (midi), they banned me.

You asked them for VST support, and they ban you?

I dont know man.

But if you say that audio is no music, and rewire is only for audio, then I wouldnt bother that much.

[9V]

as i said before, midi is still music and, since i am a purist i never open audio tracks, because audio tracks are not music, only sound. So, when i ask for vst support is because pluginstruments are midi played (still music). They told me "use rewire", but rewire is an audio protocol, not a midi instrument. The result playing an instrument via rewire is a mixed down audio track (sound). But music is not the sound, music is the language (midi or score sheet).

[crofter]

You seem to have some sort of infatuation with midi, it's only a means to an end and not music in itself, you can use rewire to send midi information from one application to another so not exclusively for audio work.Audio is the end product of any music production, it's what we hear, the sound produced from playing a midi sequence is no different to an audio recording, not music but a recording of a musical performance.

[9V]

you are wrong: what you hear and call "music" is not music. It WAS music. If played in real time is music (a real player or a midi sequencer). If recorded (audio tracks, cd, mp3, dat etc.) is not musc anymore, it is just sound. Your mind calls it "music" but in a musical perspective it is not music. It is sound.

[crofter]

Forget midi and buy a guitar.

[9V]

a real guitar composer, when composing, writes scores or uses midi converters... so that the ideas played with guitar can remain music (midi events or score) and not recordings (audio tracks)

[crofter]

a real musician when composing via guitar, writes scores or uses midi converters... so that the ideas played with guitar can remain music (midi events or score) and not recordings (audio tracks)

Have it your own way, I'm past caring, think I'll go and drown myself.

[9V]

two revolutionary dates in modern music history: 1983 (MIDI); 1997 (VST). When Peter Neubäcker introduced the Direct Note Access, we thought it was the third revolution (making the impossible possible: transform audio into music). But it was kind of a hype, infact it does not work. Only with single poliphonic instruments (piano, guitar) and not always, actually. So, audio is STILL sound.

[rote fahne]

two revolutionary dates in modern music history: 1983 (MIDI); 1997 (VST). When Peter Neubäcker introduced the Direct Note Access, we thought it was the third revolution (making the impossible possible: transform audio into music). But it was kind of a hype, infact it does not work. Only with single poliphonic instruments (piano, guitar) and not always, actually. So, audio is STILL sound.

The idea goes back much further in time, so its not that revolutionary as you say it is.

I am not going to say that you have to go out to have a walk in the park, cause you might feel offended, and its late, so continue saying what you want to say, but I am out.

[LoopStationZebra]

*getting a dull knife and cutting my face off right after I post this*

[rote fahne]

Okay, still one remark: even if it is not yet technically possible to distill all the notes from a polyphonic music file, or if it would be even impossible at all, that doesnt matter, ALL the information of a music piece IS contained in the audiofile.

So there is no essential difference between an audio file and a midifile in respect to representing music. An audio file contains even more information than a midi file in this respect, so your logic doesnt hold.

[rote fahne]

*getting a dull knife and cutting my face off right after I post this*

Imagine the Italian parliament with 946 of this guys.

[H20nly]

"technically" , none of that is music... including the MIDI pattern, which only tells the computer which of it's preloaded sounds to play like sheet music. the sounds (in the air) vibrating (the air) in some form of harmony with one another are the music.

i mean hey, if we're going to get off into the etherial lets be all encompassing... and yes, i think the piano palyers tits do hold relevance.

a real guitar composer, when composing, writes scores or uses midi converters... so that the ideas played with guitar can remain music (midi events or score) and not recordings (audio tracks)

wow someone should have told Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan this. someone still needs to call up BB King, Steve Vai, Joe Santriani, Eddie Van Halen and any other mofo who has ever been called a guitar great and tell them what complete and utter lies their lives have been based on.

[rote fahne]

technically, none of that is music... including the MIDI pattern (which only tells the computer which of it's preloaded sounds to play). the sounds (in the air) vibrating (the air) in some form of harmony with one another are the music.

i mean hey, if we're going to get off into the etherial lets be all encompassing... and yes, i think the piano palyers tits do hold relevance.

Its ones and zeros on your hard disk, or whatever storage medium you use, and not even ones and zero's but something like absence or presence of magnetic fields.