the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

[crofter]

Well, you've got Berlusconi

Berlusconi is an american product. It is the pizza-mandolino-women-mafia sterotype of italian in america. Infact he is "famous" in america. Which other italian politicans do you know apart that piece of crap and (i guess) the other shitty one (mussolini)?

You do know how to pick em.

[9V]

Well, you've got Berlusconi

Berlusconi is an american product. It is the pizza-mandolino-women-mafia sterotype of italian in america. Infact he is "famous" in america. Which other italian politicans do you know apart that piece of crap and (i guess) the other shitty one (mussolini)?

You do know how to pick em.

It's true, because for italians Berlusconi is a national shame. I guess and hope for americans bush was a shame, not someone to be proud of. But outside italy he represents the stereotype of the italian thief, mafia, always smiling, horny for women, he sings napoletan songs etc. A total idiot. But anticommunist, nice for americans. It's an american product. That is why he is famous, not because he is a "politician" (?).

[andydes]

It's true, because for italians Berlusconi is a national shame. I guess and hope for americans bush was a shame, not someone to be proud of. But outside italy he represents the stereotype of the italian thief, mafia, always smiling, horny for women, he sings napoletan songs etc. A total idiot. But anticommunist, nice for americans. It's an american product. That is why he is famous, not because he is a "politician" (?).

He was voted back into power twice, right? Obviously not everyone was that ashamed. I believe significantly more italians than americans vote in your elections. How is it their fault exactly?

[glenn303]

You dont have to be a musician to understand music.

is this what your teachers tell you? Now i understand most of american music (... and the food ... and the movies etc. )

Yes, i guess they said that to me so i would just go away.
How many books did you have to read in order for you to understand music? And how many years did it take? Do you now understand Frank Zappa? if yes then its time for you to move to the next level and read about Captain Beefheart then listen to his music, oh wait Captain Beefheart is dead so you cant listen to his music anymore but you can read it though. Both American by the way.

[9V]

It's true, because for italians Berlusconi is a national shame. I guess and hope for americans bush was a shame, not someone to be proud of. But outside italy he represents the stereotype of the italian thief, mafia, always smiling, horny for women, he sings napoletan songs etc. A total idiot. But anticommunist, nice for americans. It's an american product. That is why he is famous, not because he is a "politician" (?).

He was voted back into power twice, right? Obviously not everyone was that ashamed. I believe significantly more italians than americans vote in your elections. How is it their fault exactly?

Well, this is OT. He is famous in the southern side of Italy, expecially sicily (because of the mafia control of population). In the north rich people ($$$) vote for conservatives, and now berlusconi is the boss. They don't vote "berlusconi", they vote for conservative party (infact i guess you know no-one apart berlusconi of the conservative italian politicians, ministers etc.). The bloody church is anticommunist, so asks the catholics to vote anticommunist. And Berlusconi is "anticommunist". He is the richest man of europe, he owns 70% of italian media (tv, newspapers). 58% voted against berlusconi. The rest is conservative, but if you vote "right" side does not mean you vote "berlusconi". Berlusconi is 8% ca. But he is the boss, and an USA slave, of course: see how he loves Bush, the USA wars etc. An idiot, but his power allows him to be the prime minister.

[andydes]

I know people vote for the party and the party vote for the pm. Same here. But no one blamed the Americans when Dave Cameron got in.

Yes it's OT. But you derailed your own thread with sweeping attacks on American culture. And what did you expect by bringing up Obama?

[9V]

I know people vote for the party and the party vote for the pm. Same here. But no one blamed the Americans when Dave Cameron got in.
Yes it's OT. But you derailed your own thread with sweeping attacks on American culture. And what did you expect by bringing up Obama?

No, in italy it is not like in america or in UK. You don't vote for the prime minister. It is not like there, with only two parties ("left" and "right"). You vote parties (around 40 different parties), then parties form a coalition and the most influent fellow for power (in the right side) or culture (left side) becomes the prime minister. It is different. If it was like in america, Berlusconi now would be in prison, i guess.

[ian_halsall]

Berlusconi lost it when he started crying after getting hit in the face with a cathedral.

He should take brawling lessons from John Prescott - a proper politician.

[9V]

by the way american people cannot understand italian and most of european politics. In USA the prime minister is like a "king", with the "queen" (the "first lady") and all that crap. They need a "leader" (in german language "fuhrer"). In italy and in the rest of europe (apart UK, which is different: they are isolated, with different money, different laws, different measures etc.) the prime minister is just a delegate. Berlusconi is an american product, he represent "the power", it has nothing to do with normal policy. Infact he is a dangerous anomaly, not something normal. It is difficult to put him in prison, because he is trying to modify the law, like a southamerican fascist dictator. But he is a "USA friend" (like all fascists: see Pinochet etc.).

[Broccoli]

by the way american people cannot understand italian and most of european politics. In USA the prime minister is like a "king", with the "queen" (the "first lady") and all that crap. They need a "leader" (in german language "fuhrer"). In italy and in the rest of europe (apart UK, which is different: they are isolated, with different money, different laws, different measures etc.) the prime minister is just a delegate. Berlusconi is an american product, he represent "the power", it has nothing to do with normal policy. Infact he is a dangerous anomaly, not something normal. It is difficult to put him in prison, because he is trying to modify the law, like a southamerican fascist dictator. But he is a "USA friend" (like all fascist: see Pinochet etc.).

And who's the current USA Prime Minister again?

[H20nly]

by the way american people cannot understand italian and most of european politics. In USA the prime minister is like a "king", with the "queen" (the "first lady") and all that crap. They need a "leader" (in german language "fuhrer"). In italy and in the rest of europe (apart UK, which is different: they are isolated, with different money, different laws, different measures etc.) the prime minister is just a delegate. Berlusconi is an american product, he represent "the power", it has nothing to do with normal policy. Infact he is a dangerous anomaly, not something normal. It is difficult to put him in prison, because he is trying to modify the law, like a southamerican fascist dictator. But he is a "USA friend" (like all fascist: see Pinochet etc.).

And who's the current USA Prime Minister again?

i think it's Carl Rove, right 9V?

[9V]

in italy we laugh when you american people consider obama "a socialist" (haha!) or kind of a "miracle" because he is not a white man. Like here in 1700 Then he must say "hey, american people i am not muslim, i am a christian, yes! God save america" etc. LOL! Because now the "enemy" is not the communism (...) but the "arabian terrorists"

The sad aspect about all this crap is that most of american people believe "arabian terrorists" exist LOL

[crofter]

I think what we have here is DJsynchro's Italian cousin, just as annoying but twice as mental.

[glenn303]

by the way american people cannot understand italian and most of european politics. In USA the prime minister is like a "king", with the "queen" (the "first lady") and all that crap. They need a "leader" (in german language "fuhrer"). In italy and in the rest of europe (apart UK, which is different: they are isolated, with different money, different laws, different measures etc.) the prime minister is just a delegate. Berlusconi is an american product, he represent "the power", it has nothing to do with normal policy. Infact he is a dangerous anomaly, not something normal. It is difficult to put him in prison, because he is trying to modify the law, like a southamerican fascist dictator. But he is a "USA friend" (like all fascists: see Pinochet etc.).

Yes its very difficult to understand. King and Queen? Are you kidding me? I think it is you who doesn't understand.

[glenn303]

in italy we laugh when you american people consider obama "a socialist" (haha!) or kind of a "miracle" because he is not a white man. Like here in 1700 Then he must say "hey, american people i am not muslim, i am a christian, yes! God save america" etc. LOL! Because now the "enemy" is not the communism (...) but the "arabian terrorists"

The sad aspect about all this crap is that most of american people believe "arabian terrorists" exist LOL

Yeah, its pretty much just the rednecks who call him a socialist.