Rock and metal beats

lunanulrec · Post by **lunanulrec** » Tue May 18, 2004 2:59 pm

What would anyone suggest for creating, or even downloading harder rock drums? Money is an issue, so the least expensive or better yet - free would be cool.

pepez · Post by **pepez** » Mon May 31, 2004 9:14 pm

there is a long drum solo with powerful mixed drums on led-zep's live album "the song remains the same". go steal it.

lee ving · Post by **lee ving** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:10 am

go to www.drumsondemand.com and listen to some great loops! The loops are arranged in folders by BPM and have coordinated fills, chorus, verse, bridge, etc. I have both volume 1 and 2. These loops are a great learning tool and are applicable to metal and rock. Check em out!

Sinjin · Post by **Sinjin** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 3:34 pm

lunanulrec wrote:What would anyone suggest for creating, or even downloading harder rock drums? Money is an issue, so the least expensive or better yet - free would be cool.

theres only one way to go man...drumkit from hell.

the less expensive version along with the upgrade that gives you maps for kontakt and reason runs you around $120 US.

www.toontrack.com

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:37 am

go to your nearest porn shop, try and scavenge some old drums, and some mics from around the traps. plenty of effects to use on the computer. ableton is the shiz for loop rock/metal

toog · Post by **toog** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:00 pm

porn shops? For drums?

Well, you can er, "beat" off there.

charliegelada · Post by **charliegelada** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:13 pm

If you need drum loops for metal, then this is the best sample disc I have found yet...

http://www.betamonkeymusic.com/Double_Bass_Mania.html

So, save yourself the visit to the porn store?!

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:38 pm

Drumkit From Hell, dude. I have Superior, which runs as a plug-in within Live, or can be used as a Rewire slave. It's the be-all-end-all when it comes to acoustic drums, at least in price ranges below 400 bucks.

charliegelada · Post by **charliegelada** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:51 pm

DFh is so overrated. I have DFH Superior and the sounds are nothing special. I don't really get why everyone creams in their pants over there - they are just plain drum samples! Big deal.

The way I see it is that DFH may be 9 GB of samples, but it has 0 GB of feel, skill, or heart. This is why loops cut from live playing are more inspiring. The Beta Monkey disc does that. When I grabbed some 16th note double kick riffs out of the 170 BPM folder, it INSPIRED me to write music. With DFH I would have had to spend time to program the samples into something rhythmic. And, I write by inspiration and feel so, if something interupts (like programming a drum track), I lose it.

Let's face it, a REAL drummer is the best. Second to that is loops of a REAL drummer. Third will also be the REAL drums themselves.

So, think twice before writing off a great sample CD and plunking down $300- 400!

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:03 pm

charliegelada wrote:DFh is so overrated. I have DFH Superior and the sounds are nothing special. I don't really get why everyone creams in their pants over there - they are just plain drum samples! Big deal

Dynamic levels, mate. That's why everybody's raving. Sure, if you only know one dynamic level you're going to think "so what" - it's what you do with it that counts.

kennerb · Post by **kennerb** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:16 pm

pepez wrote:there is a long drum solo with powerful mixed drums on led-zep's live album "the song remains the same". go steal it.

I actually found a recording session of Bonham with a lot of practice takes of just the drums for many of their more popular songs. It's funny you can instantly know what the song is from the first hits on most of them. Very influential drumming I'd say. Too bad he partied so hard... but that is rock'n'roll then eh.

BFD is a good straight ahead drum sound. I tried it out. It is huge. Like 3 gigs or something. It's not really for my style but you get real good sounding drums out of it.

charliegelada · Post by **charliegelada** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:47 pm

I think you're missing my point mate. It is a collection of samples, drums being struck from soft to hard, with a variety of microphones. That in and of itself doesn't translate to "great" or anything even remotely close. You missed the point.

Samples have a place but it will always be secondary to the musician. You could sample Bonham's hits (or use DFH or BFD) all day but they will never have the spirit of Bonzo himself.

I am sure you can agree to that, can't you matey?

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:03 pm

Cheapest/fastest would be loops like BetaMonkey's, most flexible but time consuming and expensive would be BFD etc. If you're a guitarist and you are wanting to have a great backing band to jam to, definitely go with loops. If you're a composer and want to micro-manage your drum tracks, go with a sample-based drum plug.

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:05 pm

charliegelada wrote:I think you're missing my point mate. It is a collection of samples, drums being struck from soft to hard, with a variety of microphones. That in and of itself doesn't translate to "great" or anything even remotely close. You missed the point.

Samples have a place but it will always be secondary to the musician. You could sample Bonham's hits (or use DFH or BFD) all day but they will never have the spirit of Bonzo himself.

I am sure you can agree to that, can't you matey?

What you do with them is up to you - I don't care for somebody else's loops (I'm a drummer, BTW), I'll make my own. The sound quality of DFH is impeccable - the instruments used are studio staples, that's what counts.

charliegelada · Post by **charliegelada** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:01 pm

Braj,

Amen! That says it all.

But, if I might add... DFH is fine, not impeccable. And, studio standard is another way to say GENERIC. That's why no one has a recognizable drum sound anymore. When Bonham, Moon, Van Halen kicked in, you knew who the drummer was. When the latest Hoobastank tune comes in, I doubt that recognition is there. Chalk that up to "studio standard" samples like DFH.

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