the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

[rote fahne]

like in audio.

[9V]

thanks for the quotes, rote fahne! Interesting, but a little bit "trollish"?

[rote fahne]

thanks for the quotes, rote fahne! Interesting, but a little bit "trollish"?

like in audio.

[rote fahne]

Did I write "the culmination"?! I just wrote the italians started tonal music rules in 1500. The rest is an improvement of the original italian work (above all: Gioseffo Zarlino). But the basis are there. Not to mention the score notation, invented by the italian Guido Monaco 1000 years ago, and still used. Nothing has changed in 99,9% of composed, written and played music... "2011 music" included...

like in audio.

[rote fahne]

but this is OT, by the way. The real topic is: "MIDI" tracks are still music, because they can be translated/converted into music score. Infact there is a relationship between midi events and notes. Both score notes and MIDI events are editable, replayable, writable and readable as "music". "AUDIO" tracks, instead, are sound, because they can be modified only with sound restoration tools, which are not musical parameters, but sound parameters (sound engeineering). The ones who don't understand this difference HERE are the american users, above all. Why? As far as I can understand, because for them "music" is the sound, not the code. When they say "music" they mean "the sound". Infact many of them say: "MIDI is not music, because it makes no sound". To me music is what you can edit, write, re-edit, play, read (the code). It is a matter of rules. Maybe in USA when you modify a sound you are making music, as an olistic "concept"... i don't know. Here music is still written on stave... I wonder how can you write on the stave this:



like in audio.

[rote fahne]

but this is OT, by the way. The real topic is: "MIDI" tracks are still music, because they can be translated/converted into music score. Infact there is a relationship between midi events and notes. Both score notes and MIDI events are editable, replayable, writable and readable as "music". "AUDIO" tracks, instead, are sound, because they can be modified only with sound restoration tools, which are not musical parameters, but sound parameters (sound engeineering). The ones who don't understand this difference HERE are the american users, above all. Why? As far as I can understand, because for them "music" is the sound, not the code. When they say "music" they mean "the sound". Infact many of them say: "MIDI is not music, because it makes no sound". To me music is what you can edit, write, re-edit, play, read (the code). It is a matter of rules. Maybe in USA when you modify a sound you are making music, as an olistic "concept"... i don't know. Here music is still written on stave... I wonder how can you write on the stave this:



like in audio.



like in audio.

[rote fahne]

but this is OT, by the way. The real topic is: "MIDI" tracks are still music, because they can be translated/converted into music score. Infact there is a relationship between midi events and notes. Both score notes and MIDI events are editable, replayable, writable and readable as "music". "AUDIO" tracks, instead, are sound, because they can be modified only with sound restoration tools, which are not musical parameters, but sound parameters (sound engeineering). The ones who don't understand this difference HERE are the american users, above all. Why? As far as I can understand, because for them "music" is the sound, not the code. When they say "music" they mean "the sound". Infact many of them say: "MIDI is not music, because it makes no sound". To me music is what you can edit, write, re-edit, play, read (the code). It is a matter of rules. Maybe in USA when you modify a sound you are making music, as an olistic "concept"... i don't know. Here music is still written on stave... I wonder how can you write on the stave this:



like in audio.



like in audio.

like in audio.

[rote fahne]

like in audio.

[9V]

like in audio.

like in "high" in your case (i guess)

[rote fahne]

like in audio.

like in "high" in your case (i guess)

Completely sober here.

[9V]

[Theo Void]

So ur saying if you draw the notes and make a MIDI sequence and then save it and use that MIDI information in an arrangement, it's not music because it's not being created live.

[Guff Tong]

It's more a discussion about words than music. Nothing creative, just the proper grammatical definition of the word 'music' being fought over and about.

Not sure of its intention but from a little reading seems to turn the nice fluid, curvy, creative world of music we love into a sterile classroom of specimen bottles being labelled and pigeon holed into the correct place.

Lock this thread ffs, its wrong and levels some of you are not even aware of.

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[crofter]

I know what I call music, that's enough for me.

[rote fahne]

a pen is not music, but score sheet is music, because music is the language. You can EDIT music with the pen, or with an instrument (which are musical TOOLS). You cannot do that with audio signals. So midi is music, the score is music, the sound made with music (the so-called "music") is not music (unless played IN REAL TIME).

The things you write are only language the moment you write them in real time. The moment people read them its only characters.

When I edit, say chop up and reorder the words you used, its not language anymore, only characters.