Hi all,
I have an Akai MPK49 and am currently setting up a project file for playing out. My hang up at this moment is with MIDI routing to beat repeat. Right now, I'm trying to route my APK49's pads to beat repeats "repeat" function in a fashion that it's enabled only when the pad is held down, rather than triggered on then triggered off. I know the APK49's pads will only emit note information and not CC. I was wondering if anyone knows of a decent work around? Ableton clearly picks up the midi on/off signals and I've done a little research to try and find VST that will convert the signal but haven't found anything that's actually worked. Any incite is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Falinox
Midi Routing/ On/Off signal.
Re: Midi Routing/ On/Off signal.
Given people have given out about M4L solutions before, I will ask first. Are you comfortable using M4L?falinox wrote:Hi all,
I have an Akai MPK49 and am currently setting up a project file for playing out. My hang up at this moment is with MIDI routing to beat repeat. Right now, I'm trying to route my APK49's pads to beat repeats "repeat" function in a fashion that it's enabled only when the pad is held down, rather than triggered on then triggered off. I know the APK49's pads will only emit note information and not CC. I was wondering if anyone knows of a decent work around? Ableton clearly picks up the midi on/off signals and I've done a little research to try and find VST that will convert the signal but haven't found anything that's actually worked. Any incite is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Falinox
Re: Midi Routing/ On/Off signal.
Not entirely, but I see where this was going. I had considered it but it seemed like a lot to take on for, what seemed like, possibly an easy fix. I haven't used M4L, but I'm confident in my ability to take it on.trevox wrote:Given people have given out about M4L solutions before, I will ask first. Are you comfortable using M4L?falinox wrote:Hi all,
I have an Akai MPK49 and am currently setting up a project file for playing out. My hang up at this moment is with MIDI routing to beat repeat. Right now, I'm trying to route my APK49's pads to beat repeats "repeat" function in a fashion that it's enabled only when the pad is held down, rather than triggered on then triggered off. I know the APK49's pads will only emit note information and not CC. I was wondering if anyone knows of a decent work around? Ableton clearly picks up the midi on/off signals and I've done a little research to try and find VST that will convert the signal but haven't found anything that's actually worked. Any incite is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Falinox
Re: Midi Routing/ On/Off signal.
I know what you mean! But it is all I can think of unless there is a midi effect that already does this and I do not think there is. To be honest, to do exactly what you are looking for, I'd have to do a bit of research in the Live API stuff too as while I can easily do the Max part, you would also need to route the signal to beat repeat which would involve the API I think.falinox wrote:Not entirely, but I see where this was going. I had considered it but it seemed like a lot to take on for, what seemed like, possibly an easy fix. I haven't used M4L, but I'm confident in my ability to take it on.trevox wrote:Given people have given out about M4L solutions before, I will ask first. Are you comfortable using M4L?falinox wrote:Hi all,
I have an Akai MPK49 and am currently setting up a project file for playing out. My hang up at this moment is with MIDI routing to beat repeat. Right now, I'm trying to route my APK49's pads to beat repeats "repeat" function in a fashion that it's enabled only when the pad is held down, rather than triggered on then triggered off. I know the APK49's pads will only emit note information and not CC. I was wondering if anyone knows of a decent work around? Ableton clearly picks up the midi on/off signals and I've done a little research to try and find VST that will convert the signal but haven't found anything that's actually worked. Any incite is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Falinox
The basic idea would be to take the notein information and strip out the midi off. Then each time you send a midi note in, you flip flop between on and off. I think there is a patch or two I can rob the API stuff I need. It is something I would need to do at some stage too, so I will see if I can do it quickly.
Re: Midi Routing/ On/Off signal.
Just so we understand each other, we're only triggering the repeat function while the pad is being held down? Because that's what I'm looking for. As it stands right now. I hit the pad and the repeat function turns on, I hit it again and it turns of. I just simply want it to turn off when I release the pad.
Just making sure we're on the same page. The reason why I like this idea is that I can confidently trigger a repeat and know it's off even if I can't view beat repeat. Thus eliminating possibilities of me accidentally leaving it on or doing a multiple press on accident. The pads aren't the most responsive.
Just making sure we're on the same page. The reason why I like this idea is that I can confidently trigger a repeat and know it's off even if I can't view beat repeat. Thus eliminating possibilities of me accidentally leaving it on or doing a multiple press on accident. The pads aren't the most responsive.
Re: Midi Routing/ On/Off signal.
I understood the opposite! No worries though - it's as easy. I actually have it working where you can assign this toggle to any parameter in Live. Will send on shortly.falinox wrote:Just so we understand each other, we're only triggering the repeat function while the pad is being held down? Because that's what I'm looking for. As it stands right now. I hit the pad and the repeat function turns on, I hit it again and it turns of. I just simply want it to turn off when I release the pad.
Just making sure we're on the same page. The reason why I like this idea is that I can confidently trigger a repeat and know it's off even if I can't view beat repeat. Thus eliminating possibilities of me accidentally leaving it on or doing a multiple press on accident. The pads aren't the most responsive.
Re: Midi Routing/ On/Off signal.
OK, it works. Open a new M4L patch on any midi channel.
If there is anything in that patch, delete it so it is completely blank.
Copy/paste this into that window:
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Now there'll be a little you have to do as when I paste, it is not formatted exactly the same. So do this:
Select everything and move it so that the neat block of objects at at the top left of the patcher window.
Deselect the neat block leaving everything else selected.
Right click on any of the selected objects and choose "Remove from Presentation".
Save the patch (give it a name that makes sense and save it in your Live Library under Max Midi Effects).
Now you should see only the neat little block in Live.
On the midi track, choose your controller as the midi input.
In the M4L patch, choose the note your controller pad plays.
In the M4L patch, click on the little "list" button beside the "Track" dropdown. This will list all tracks available in Live.
Under the next dropdown, you will see all plugins etc used in that track.
The next one lists all parameters available for that object.
Note that I have included a kind of midi through, so you can have several of these in the same midi track. This way, you can choose different note values for several pads controlling different parameter on different tracks.
That should work. If you have any issues, PM me and I will send on the .amxd which may make it easier for you.
If there is anything in that patch, delete it so it is completely blank.
Copy/paste this into that window:
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Now there'll be a little you have to do as when I paste, it is not formatted exactly the same. So do this:
Select everything and move it so that the neat block of objects at at the top left of the patcher window.
Deselect the neat block leaving everything else selected.
Right click on any of the selected objects and choose "Remove from Presentation".
Save the patch (give it a name that makes sense and save it in your Live Library under Max Midi Effects).
Now you should see only the neat little block in Live.
On the midi track, choose your controller as the midi input.
In the M4L patch, choose the note your controller pad plays.
In the M4L patch, click on the little "list" button beside the "Track" dropdown. This will list all tracks available in Live.
Under the next dropdown, you will see all plugins etc used in that track.
The next one lists all parameters available for that object.
Note that I have included a kind of midi through, so you can have several of these in the same midi track. This way, you can choose different note values for several pads controlling different parameter on different tracks.
That should work. If you have any issues, PM me and I will send on the .amxd which may make it easier for you.
Re: Midi Routing/ On/Off signal.
Oh, and I take little credit for this. The user "ring (Simon Slowik)" created all of the Live API stuff which really is the more complicated part, so really all I have done is add a note filter and used the note on/off velocity to turn a parameter on or off!
Re: Midi Routing/ On/Off signal.
Ahh great man, thanks so much going to test this out now. Thanks for going above and beyond. Really great intro to the community!trevox wrote:Oh, and I take little credit for this. The user "ring (Simon Slowik)" created all of the Live API stuff which really is the more complicated part, so really all I have done is add a note filter and used the note on/off velocity to turn a parameter on or off!
Re: Midi Routing/ On/Off signal.
No worries - didn't take long at all and it's something I've wanted before myself. I have another version already which takes the velocity of your hit and scales the output. This is not for on/of switches but variable parameters. You can also set the low limit to something other than zero. If you want it, let me know.falinox wrote:Ahh great man, thanks so much going to test this out now. Thanks for going above and beyond. Really great intro to the community!trevox wrote:Oh, and I take little credit for this. The user "ring (Simon Slowik)" created all of the Live API stuff which really is the more complicated part, so really all I have done is add a note filter and used the note on/off velocity to turn a parameter on or off!
Re: Midi Routing/ On/Off signal.
Scaled version....
You can get rid of the last one as this serves both purposes. If you want to do toggle a switch on/off, leave the minimum scale value at zero. For anything else, you can set the min and max and in between is divided into the 127 velocity values...
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You can get rid of the last one as this serves both purposes. If you want to do toggle a switch on/off, leave the minimum scale value at zero. For anything else, you can set the min and max and in between is divided into the 127 velocity values...
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