You're a tool

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Tarekith
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You're a tool

Post by Tarekith » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:47 pm

No really, I mean it: http://tarekith.com/youre-a-tool/

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Re: You're a tool

Post by agent314 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:39 am

Good post - definitely born out of reality

Was this inspired by DJ Vespers' tweets about feeling infidelitous to Ableton? :D

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Re: You're a tool

Post by Tone Deft » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:41 am

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open minds are good, you never know when you'll gel with a new piece of gear. often the first few hours or days with new gear makes for some great happy accidents. for that reason the first thing to learn should be HOW TO SAVE YOUR WORK!!
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Re: You're a tool

Post by Tarekith » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:50 am

agent314 wrote:Good post - definitely born out of reality

Was this inspired by DJ Vespers' tweets about feeling infidelitous to Ableton? :D
Yes and no. This topic has been on my list of blog topics for awhile now, his post just kicked it higher up the list. :). Nothing against Drew, I have huge respect for him, I just don't understand the sentiment fully.

Besides, I'm hanging out with him this weekend, he can take a cheap shot at me if he's offended. :)

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Re: You're a tool

Post by pencilrocket » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:07 am

Great website promotion.

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Re: You're a tool

Post by agent314 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:08 am

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Re: You're a tool

Post by Tarekith » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:09 am

pencilrocket wrote:Great website promotion.
Thanks, that means a lot coming from you!

8)

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Re: You're a tool

Post by Machinesworking » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:08 am

Funny, I never was loyal, always a gearslut, and you realize once you get all the tools you "need" to make the music you want to make sound the way you want it to that all having pro gear does is add polish, the actual material doesn't drastically change. DAWs aren't that much different, Live is easier to experiment in, Logic and especially DP are much easier to mix down in, two track editors are faster to master in and so on, none of that means the others are incapable at any of those tasks.

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Re: You're a tool

Post by anybody human » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:03 pm

Tarekith wrote:No really, I mean it: http://tarekith.com/youre-a-tool/
People keep telling me that.

JK, I'll check out the article. Always good stuff. Keep 'em coming.

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Re: You're a tool

Post by Warrior Bob » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:43 pm

No you're a tool.

(kidding)

To contribute, I started out doing what Tarekith recommends in his article. REAPER used to be my favorite DAW, but I tried out many tools and eventually settled on Ableton Live since its strengths were the ones I cared the most about.

I went to use REAPER again the other day after a few years of heavy Live use. I found it unintuitive and hard to use, and wondered how I ever got anything done. Why are the routings so confusing? What the hell is this FX chain in a child window? How do I resample? And yet, I used to get things done with it all the time. What changed? Well, I've been using Live for like three years, and I'm used to how it does things.

I realized that my mode of thinking was very influenced by Live's design. My knee-jerk reaction was to see REAPER's design - window sets, tons of options, arbitrary flexibility/complexity - as unnecessary clutter, even though I used to love it, and really liked it once I got into it again.

So yeah, I'm kind of a tool.

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Re: You're a tool

Post by Hermanus » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:56 pm

nice article, thanks for sharing your point of view

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Re: You're a tool

Post by DJVespers » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:35 pm

Good insights mate. I agree, to a point. On the flipside, DAWs and plugins have a major learning curve on them. With the rate at which new software is coming out, it's possible to be a student your entire life and a master never. The jack of all trades and master of none. So many people I come across know their software at only a surface level, because they're always fixated on the newest thing. Victims of savvy marketing and availability of pirated warez ;)

Rather, I've always opted to delve into the tools I have chosen more deeply. Given all the time in the world, I'd try out all the DAWs. But given that time is not something you can currently buy more of, I've chosen to focus on a narrower range of tools.
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Re: You're a tool

Post by Tarekith » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:49 pm

It's a balancing act for sure, knowing one's tools versus endless messing around. I wasn't trying to imply that people should set out to master everything out there, rather that there's little to be gained from dismissing tools other than the ones we prefer without really knowing more about them. While it can take forever to know all the ins and outs of something like a DAW, to get insight into what a program's strengths are really doesn't take that long in my experience.

I guess we all approach it differently, but for me personally, having at least some knowledge of multiple tools has opened up a lot more opportunities than being really good at any one of them.

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Re: You're a tool

Post by barryalva » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:46 pm

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Re: You're a tool

Post by Tarekith » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:54 pm

The analog ones :)

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