Mac is no longer for todays DAW. It's obviously old fasioned

[lunabass]

Pencil armed with those amazing pcs would u be so kind to share your music before anyone accuses u of being all mouth and no action.

http://www.myspace.com/3phase1


an interesting read though and it confirms 2 of my hunches:
1. pro tools rtas format performs poorly compared to vst.

2. cubase performs much better on windows vs osx.

this doesn't confirm much regarding win7 v osx though. one only has to look at how well logic performs on osx

for anyone wanting to go pc i can say that vin (the guy behind these reports) makes some highly regarded pc towers and laptops for audio, and is one hell of a nice guy.

[Warrior Bob]

I love my mac laptop for music. Previously, I loved my little Windows box.

But personally, I can't wait until somebody makes something where I get the flexibility I like from personal computers (arbitrary software, lots of configuration) but without all the extra baggage that comes with a computer (viruses, complicated performance issues, other software and fighting for resources.

Give me a dedicated device that lets me do the same thing I do with Ableton Live right now and I will switch so fast.

[ekwipt]

The way I e always seen it is you use what works best for the applications you need. For me it's Ableton, Logic, FCP, Adobe & Avid. You can only use these on a Mac. Mac computer are easy to configure and plug'n'play with more things, controllers, soundcards etc.

I'm pretty sure Ableton developers have come out and said that they prefer to use Mac with Ableton, if you were to only use Protools or Cubase I guess PC is the way to go?

The graph you show has nothing to do with Ableton, it's a pointless graph to post in this forum.

Try and find a pc laptop that is suitable for audio use, straight out of the box, they are very few and far in between if you want to use things like FireWire audio interfaces. With Macs they basically work straight out of the box.

[The Carpet Cleaner]

I dont care if it's pc or Mac or Linux. Just use the best at the moment. If tomorrow there is a new product from a new company and it's the best, just use it.

Now, I sometimes have to use windows 7 to play some games, on my iMac.
It s terrible. I know how to use windows, I've been using it since win 3.1 ...

Here is a story, I changed my wifi router password. And just for this, I couldn't connect to it anymore with windows. There was a red cross on it saying that the network is not correct for my computer. Wtf. It was not letting me enter my new password. I had to restart the computer to fix the problem.

For really basic stuff windows is so retarded it's almost like they did it on purpose to do a shit product.

Windows 7 is shit because it's basically the same system than windows 95. More than 10 years ago, and Microsoft never tried to change anything, just using their customer base. They were right but now they know they have to do something new, and metro is coming,well see how it goes.

[pencilrocket]

Obviously pencilrocket is an amateur or he would have known that Macs sound better!

Then I'm pro because I would have thought that Mac sound better.

Sure you can have your home studio PC, but in the real pro world people use Macs because the music translates to every hi fidelity stereo system at the highest quality.

Or you are amature when following your logic.

PC's have "pro" DAWs like Fruity Loops for making your video game music.

Funny, you are stereotyped to call other Daw only for specific need but you are using un-professional Daw
which even doesn't have dedicated mixer, feature to turn off automation recording, no spectrum analyzer that could be monitor while mixing, etc. Wow what a toy software it is.... Don't get me wrong it's reality and no subjective feeling there being defferent from your stereotyped argument.

No pro uses Pro Tools on a PC, it's all Mac,

Because Nuendo works far better in non-dsp environment noob.

and there's a reason why! Macs have Digital Performer <- proper name for a pro DAW, which recently won a sound quality test using Macbook Pros, because even Macbook Pros sound better than your home built or Dell toy machine!

Sound quality is better on PC. Because it handle more polyphony without crack Mac head "wow my monitor speaker got sound better after putting apple sticker on it!"

[pencilrocket]

Thought the mods don't allow mac vs pc debates here, we know how those end

I never post and posted subjective PC vs. Mac thread because it's pointless.

But if I have article that shows objective info and data that can be mathmatically percieved by people as an information, I will post. If someone think the article telling untruth, they can freely produce counterevidence in their post. No need to post any personal anger or subjective bashing on Mac, PC or other Daw in the thread if everyone follow this simple manner.

[Machinesworking]

Meh you posted a guy who tweaked a bios to run Windows better and ran an unsupported hack to get OSX on it, then you expect people to think you're posting objective studies?

Most of us here including me have been posting trash to match your "objective" test, none of us are taking you seriously, except the people who for some reason have to remain tolerant even in the face of someone who posts trash like "Mac is no longer for todays DAW etc.". Me? not at all, you're full of yourself, abrasive and not objective in the least. You want to be taken seriously, ( and you do or you wouldn't have tried to take apart my "argument" ), then stop with the WAR terms and stop pretending you didn't attempt to stir things up when you obviously wanted to.

I'm out to a metal show, shoudl be less abrasive than your come back to this post!

[ekwipt]

The problem is you've posted comparisons to Protools and Cubase, it's totally pointless and has nothing to do with Ableton. I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that Ableton developers have said the program runs better on Macs but with VSTs (AUs don't preform so well). Like I said go and find a PC laptop that works out the box with controllers and FireWire interfaces as well as Macs, you won't be able to to believe I've tried.

PC boxes are great to build you self and are way more performance/per price, ASIO can be a pain in the ass, midi setups are painful as well. Macs you can aggregate audio devices from a few clicks of the mouse and the midi environment is built right into the GUI of the operating system.

Seriously come back when you have some relevant data to Ableton, otherwise it looks like you haven't got much of a clue.

[pencilrocket]

Meh you posted a guy who tweaked a bios to run Windows better and ran an unsupported hack to get OSX on it, then you expect people to think you're posting objective studies?

I didn't expect that I can hear and you admit that Mac isn't or can't be tweaked to run better even though the hardware which runs their OS are made by themselves. Thanks for nice comment. That's interesting.

Most of us here including me have been posting trash to match your "objective" test, none of us are taking you seriously, except the people who for some reason have to remain tolerant even in the face of someone who posts trash like "Mac is no longer for todays DAW etc.". Me? not at all, you're full of yourself, abrasive and not objective in the least.

No tolerance needed at all if you have no personal feeling on the tool, because you don't have to have feeling on it. Tool is tool. Be matured.

You want to be taken seriously, ( and you do or you wouldn't have tried to take apart my "argument" ), then stop with the WAR terms and stop pretending you didn't attempt to stir things up when you obviously wanted to.

I'm out to a metal show, shoudl be less abrasive than your come back to this post!

You couldn't forget about this thread even though you were planned to go metal show. That's exacly because you could hardly restrain your impulse to scatter your streotyped opinion and critisizm toward me. Also, you could even ignore this thread because it would have been trivial for you, but now not...

[pencilrocket]

The problem is you've posted comparisons to Protools and Cubase, it's totally pointless and has nothing to do with Ableton.

It is said that they are industry standard. And the data tendency is logical. You can get useful info from that data if you have logical thinking.

I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that Ableton developers have said the program runs better on Macs but with VSTs (AUs don't preform so well).

You can show us the graph you saw. Or the quote you are talking about may help.

Like I said go and find a PC laptop that works out the box with controllers and FireWire interfaces as well as Macs, you won't be able to to believe I've tried.

Firewire is already dying. The retarded myth was broken.

ASIO can be a pain in the ass

Asio is technically same as Coreaudio. No difference of the audio quality.

midi setups are painful as well. Macs you can aggregate audio devices from a few clicks of the mouse and the midi environment is built right into the GUI of the operating system.

Just learn how to use GUI of the windows.

[Pasha]

Useless Taliban Wars. Let's go make some music!

[PHY6]

Surprising to see how many people still respond to this crap...

[pencilrocket]

Surprising to see how many people still respond to this crap...

And You still...

[UncleAge]

Surprising to see how many people still respond to this crap...

its more disturbing than the topic

[robleighton22]

for me it doesnt compare. i was using a pc for years, and since having a mac i never get crashes (yup not even in ableton . the only time my computer freezes is when i try and use my soundcard in windows 7 bootcamp. its a motu 828mk btw and always had awful windows drivers. macs are more reliable. this also the longest i hav had a laptop for - coming up to 3 years, and still dont feel the need to get a new one. when i had pcs, i was upgrading every year and something would go wrong by that point.