V-Synth 2.0 patch changes with Ableton Live

[vgermani]

Hi, I'm connecting a Roland V-Synth to Ableton and trying to send patch changes via an empty midi clip. Every time I try to send anything to the V-Synth I get a "no media" error on the V-Synth.

I got the following response from the Roland forum:

You have to send bank changes(CC0-32) as well as Program changes to select the patches,everytime you send just a program change you'll get a blank patch (No media)because of how the V synth patches are organised you can't send just a simple progam change as each section of patches is in a bank rather than a standard 0-127 configuration

To select them you need to Enter

CC0-Value=87
CC32-Value=0
Program change value

In order to select the next bank you will replace the CC0 Value with 88 and so on

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How do I do this with Live?

Thanks for your help!

[Der_Makrophag]

How did you send patch changes? i think the way is the same, just with an additional "automation"?

[vgermani]

How did you send patch changes? i think the way is the same, just with an additional "automation"?

Sorry for the delay. When you add a clip to a midi track there is a section at the bottom in the clip explorer in the notes section (you may need to click on the little button with 8th notes in it to open that section. From within there, you can send bank, sub-bank, and patch change values whenever you start the clip. Note, it only sends the data 1 time for every clip, so if you click on the clip for the first time, the data is sent. If you click on the same clip again, it won't send the data.

Hope that helps.

[Der_Makrophag]

Oh, it was more of a rhetorical question. Thanks anyway.

So the say you have to send BANK and PROGRAMM, just try to change both.

Otherwise, you can send controller information via clip automation ("envelope") and use the ones they gave you .

CC0 is Bank select controller in combination with CC32, wich is also responsible for bank select (not sure how it works in detail, maybe this is "subbank"?).

[Dean Corrie]

Hello,

You need to set "Bank" to 88, "Sub-Bank" will be 1,2,3 or 4 and "Program" will be between 1 and 128.

This below is taken from the MIDI implementation guide:

BANK SELECT | PROGRAM | PATCH
MSB | LSB | NUMBER | NUMBER
087 | 000 | 001 - 128 | 001 - 128
| 001 | 001 - 128 | 129 - 256
| 002 | 001 - 128 | 257 - 384
| 003 | 001 - 128 | 385 - 512

Live uses '1 to 128' where Roland uses '0 to 127' for bank messages. Therefore the MSB and LSB is plus 1 from the Roland guide.

Cheers,
Dean