is it good idea to buy this bundle? pros and cons?
Komplete 8 ultimate
Re: Komplete 8 ultimate
Pros: A ton of amazing instruments. effects and soundsnycmex77 wrote:
is it good idea to buy this bundle? pros and cons?
Cons: A ton of amazing instruments. effects and sounds
Re: Komplete 8 ultimate
You'll need a lot of drive space. There's a reason for the included drive (definitely not stream those samples) but to reduce installation time.BlackMath wrote:Pros: A ton of amazing instruments. effects and soundsnycmex77 wrote:
is it good idea to buy this bundle? pros and cons?
Cons: A ton of amazing instruments. effects and sounds
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Machinesworking
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Re: Komplete 8 ultimate
NI have great sounds, but you really cannot rely on them to mess around with tracks and not print to audio.
Any OS change and some older version of their VSTs will quit working, and upgrades don't use the same VST.
So print to audio or save presets of every sound otherwise a project you're working on will not be able to be used years from now.
Great products, slash and burn policy on older versions.
Any OS change and some older version of their VSTs will quit working, and upgrades don't use the same VST.
So print to audio or save presets of every sound otherwise a project you're working on will not be able to be used years from now.
Great products, slash and burn policy on older versions.
Re: Komplete 8 ultimate
never had problems with any of their synths (except for 1 Reaktor bug which was related to Live)
also I find that they are very cpu friendly.. in relation to other stuff (even Live devices)..
Komplete is the best bundle I've ever bought.. the pallette you get is HUGE !
the instruments are excellent.. some are second to none..
the question you need to ask yourself is "do I really NEED it ?"
I can see why MW is pissed at them..
NI have a history of product cutting/re-branding...
they seem to put a big emphasis on restyling their catalog often...
if you're on a MAC you've probably felt this the compatibility issues in a bad way..
and if your vst has been discontinued ...you'd have to get another machine to use those..
on PC ..not so much..
(at least until the next paradigm shift...which is not in the foreseeable future)
I can see how someone could be offended when an instrument gets it's life-line cut...
that said... upgrading Komplete every other version is working out fine for me..
I'm very pleased with the actual instruments and packs..
I wouldn't get 'ultimate' because I don't really need extra sample packs.. but the ones included in 'Ultimate' are top-notch..
also I find that they are very cpu friendly.. in relation to other stuff (even Live devices)..
Komplete is the best bundle I've ever bought.. the pallette you get is HUGE !
the instruments are excellent.. some are second to none..
the question you need to ask yourself is "do I really NEED it ?"
I can see why MW is pissed at them..
NI have a history of product cutting/re-branding...
they seem to put a big emphasis on restyling their catalog often...
if you're on a MAC you've probably felt this the compatibility issues in a bad way..
and if your vst has been discontinued ...you'd have to get another machine to use those..
on PC ..not so much..
(at least until the next paradigm shift...which is not in the foreseeable future)
I can see how someone could be offended when an instrument gets it's life-line cut...
that said... upgrading Komplete every other version is working out fine for me..
I'm very pleased with the actual instruments and packs..
I wouldn't get 'ultimate' because I don't really need extra sample packs.. but the ones included in 'Ultimate' are top-notch..
Re: Komplete 8 ultimate
3dot... wrote:never had problems with any of their synths (except for 1 Reaktor bug which was related to Live)
also I find that they are very cpu friendly.. in relation to other stuff (even Live devices)..
Komplete is the best bundle I've ever bought.. the pallette you get is HUGE !
the instruments are excellent.. some are second to none..
the question you need to ask yourself is "do I really NEED it ?"
I can see why MW is pissed at them..
NI have a history of product cutting/re-branding...
they seem to put a big emphasis on restyling their catalog often...
if you're on a MAC you've probably felt this the compatibility issues in a bad way..
and if your vst has been discontinued ...you'd have to get another machine to use those..
on PC ..not so much..
(at least until the next paradigm shift...which is not in the foreseeable future)
I can see how someone could be offended when an instrument gets it's life-line cut...
that said... upgrading Komplete every other version is working out fine for me..
I'm very pleased with the actual instruments and packs..
I wouldn't get 'ultimate' because I don't really need extra sample packs.. but the ones included in 'Ultimate' are top-notch..
thanx. what r the most common vst for dubstep,hip hop,bass,house,techno etc.?
Re: Komplete 8 ultimate
hard to say..
everything in that pack could be put to use in those specific genres..
keep in mind though..as said before...there's a lot of stuff to go through..
it really is a bit overwhelming..
everything in that pack could be put to use in those specific genres..
keep in mind though..as said before...there's a lot of stuff to go through..
it really is a bit overwhelming..
Re: Komplete 8 ultimate
have to +1 machines
even on projects using the Piano presets (NY concert and all that) I can't even get it to *always* load up the same preset on the same machine with an external HD without me having to point it to it.
But I think it's just a matter of course with these kinds of sounds to just freeze/render them as soon as possible. Especially if you are intending to use them Live.
Just because modern computers can run a million things at once, doesn't mean it's necessarily a good idea to do so
even on projects using the Piano presets (NY concert and all that) I can't even get it to *always* load up the same preset on the same machine with an external HD without me having to point it to it.
But I think it's just a matter of course with these kinds of sounds to just freeze/render them as soon as possible. Especially if you are intending to use them Live.
Just because modern computers can run a million things at once, doesn't mean it's necessarily a good idea to do so
Re: Komplete 8 ultimate
If you just want a good synth, get Zebra 2. Save money and you'll still be complete(ly) 
overwhelmed by the possibilities. I've thought about getting Komplete but decided not to as its just overkill IMO. Also i personally prefer Zebra to all the synths in komplete and i dont need a sampler or reaktor. Check out the demo!
overwhelmed by the possibilities. I've thought about getting Komplete but decided not to as its just overkill IMO. Also i personally prefer Zebra to all the synths in komplete and i dont need a sampler or reaktor. Check out the demo!-
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Re: Komplete 8 ultimate
Pros: You'll have everything, and more, to make music.
Cons: You won't ever make music, because you'll be too busy discovering Komplete.
Cons: You won't ever make music, because you'll be too busy discovering Komplete.
Re: Komplete 8 ultimate
that is only the case if you moved your NI samples around...or changed a drive letter or sumtin...and didn't update in the instrument settings..Forge. wrote:have to +1 machines
even on projects using the Piano presets (NY concert and all that) I can't even get it to *always* load up the same preset on the same machine with an external HD without me having to point it to it.
you only need to do it once...(per instrument)
I'm trying to adapt this kind of behavior.. I found that there's almost no audio in my sets... but loads of vstis...Forge. wrote: But I think it's just a matter of course with these kinds of sounds to just freeze/render them as soon as possible. Especially if you are intending to use them Live.
Just because modern computers can run a million things at once, doesn't mean it's necessarily a good idea to do so
I think it's working well.. forcing me to commit ..
Re: Komplete 8 ultimate
yes - actually I found there is a bug in OSX that happens sometimes where an external drive seems to unmount, but in fact it hasn't *quite* - so it remounts itself as ExtHD-1 (adding the number automatically) so programs can't find it. The only solution is to manually unmount the drive then mount it again. Confused the hell out of me for a while though until I found the solution online.
Re: Komplete 8 ultimate
I'm on to you man..hehe..(no..really)
updating per instrument is still a lot ..( *a lot of instruments..)
not to talk about updating..ugh
and installing... you have to take the day off to install it!!
updating per instrument is still a lot ..( *a lot of instruments..)
not to talk about updating..ugh
and installing... you have to take the day off to install it!!
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HeadrickProductions
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Re: Komplete 8 ultimate
Go with komplete by itself. Also it always goes on half price in the summer!! You can buy better sample libraries fro other people. Komplete is a great way to compliment live because for me I don't like the suite instruments. If you perform on a laptop ultimate is going to take up a ton of space.
Also don't worry about the "best" synth for dub step, hip/hop etc. learn to use the synths because it will lead to your own sound. There are people who have used free since on major songs before.
Also don't worry about the "best" synth for dub step, hip/hop etc. learn to use the synths because it will lead to your own sound. There are people who have used free since on major songs before.
In a K induced Haze (the old K kind not the special K kind ), but an Asian spizz can sometimes bring me out! If ya don't get it, ya never will.
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Re: Komplete 8 ultimate
Just to clarify, what I'm talking about is NI's policy with upgrades to existing products.
What NI like to do is have the upgrade be a new product, so FM7 becomes FM8 and songs will need access to FM7 to load the sounds and VSTi.
What they get out of this is the ability to tweak the VSTi code wise without worry about backwards compatibility.
What you get with this is simple to understand, at some point FM7 will have serious issues with Windows 8 etc. A new hardware innovation will produce bugs with FM7, and you will be stuck with a song that crashes or won't load FM7. This was of course more obvious on OSX as Apple did all kinds of work to modernize the OS. The thing is this is inevitably going to happen on Windows, and for some no doubt it already has.
You don't see this out of some of the other developers, NI have a certain operating procedure and it works for them, but it will render older songs a mess, no doubt.
Just opened a song from 5 years ago with Absynth 2 in it, which of course isn't ported to OSX Intel, but Ohm Force plug ins work like a charm. Plus quite honestly there's something annoying about having to fill your applications folder with Absynth 2,3,4, and 5- Kontakt 2, 3, 3.5, 4, and 5- Reaktor 3,4, and 5 etc.
Here's the clincher though, you can of course open presets made in Absynth 2 in Absynth 5, so if you save the preset with the song name you can load Absynth 5 and load up the Absynth 2 preset, and most likely it won't sound any different. Mostly they don't do much that affects the sounds. What NI really need to do IMO is explain all this as clearly as possible. Their library has been shuffled around with little mention from them as well.
Great sounds, with two caveats not related to the sound:
1. Backwards compatibility issues can spring up. Save your sounds as presets in songs, or better yet print to audio.
2. Haven't mentioned this much yet but they simply seem to have no idea what they're doing when it comes to throwing things around on your hard drive.
Having owned Komplete since version 2 I have at least 8 locations where NI have stored various parts of Komplete. They have the latest applications in an Native Instruments folder, but Service Center is outside of that, older plug ins are as well. Reaktor has at least three locations for it's library, and there are at leasst two different preset types because of Kore. Maschine apparently has introduced a third type. They settled on the Shared Library for samples, which of course is completely different than the previous method.
Mainly this stuff can be avoided, but there's little help from NI in this regard, the best thing to do is be hyper vigilant when upgrading to a new computer, OS, or a new version of Komplete. Be prepared to spend a day or two just installing and organizing the library.
What NI like to do is have the upgrade be a new product, so FM7 becomes FM8 and songs will need access to FM7 to load the sounds and VSTi.
What they get out of this is the ability to tweak the VSTi code wise without worry about backwards compatibility.
What you get with this is simple to understand, at some point FM7 will have serious issues with Windows 8 etc. A new hardware innovation will produce bugs with FM7, and you will be stuck with a song that crashes or won't load FM7. This was of course more obvious on OSX as Apple did all kinds of work to modernize the OS. The thing is this is inevitably going to happen on Windows, and for some no doubt it already has.
You don't see this out of some of the other developers, NI have a certain operating procedure and it works for them, but it will render older songs a mess, no doubt.
Just opened a song from 5 years ago with Absynth 2 in it, which of course isn't ported to OSX Intel, but Ohm Force plug ins work like a charm. Plus quite honestly there's something annoying about having to fill your applications folder with Absynth 2,3,4, and 5- Kontakt 2, 3, 3.5, 4, and 5- Reaktor 3,4, and 5 etc.
Here's the clincher though, you can of course open presets made in Absynth 2 in Absynth 5, so if you save the preset with the song name you can load Absynth 5 and load up the Absynth 2 preset, and most likely it won't sound any different. Mostly they don't do much that affects the sounds. What NI really need to do IMO is explain all this as clearly as possible. Their library has been shuffled around with little mention from them as well.
Great sounds, with two caveats not related to the sound:
1. Backwards compatibility issues can spring up. Save your sounds as presets in songs, or better yet print to audio.
2. Haven't mentioned this much yet but they simply seem to have no idea what they're doing when it comes to throwing things around on your hard drive.
Having owned Komplete since version 2 I have at least 8 locations where NI have stored various parts of Komplete. They have the latest applications in an Native Instruments folder, but Service Center is outside of that, older plug ins are as well. Reaktor has at least three locations for it's library, and there are at leasst two different preset types because of Kore. Maschine apparently has introduced a third type. They settled on the Shared Library for samples, which of course is completely different than the previous method.
Mainly this stuff can be avoided, but there's little help from NI in this regard, the best thing to do is be hyper vigilant when upgrading to a new computer, OS, or a new version of Komplete. Be prepared to spend a day or two just installing and organizing the library.