bitwig on linux

[bartend7]

i have a few questionsabout the original post

how can you be so sure that bitwig is going to be your new daw without ever using it?
your ready to dump ableton for a program that hasn't come out, ? why did you choose to post this on an ableton forum?

go make some music, if thats what your even into.

[pencilrocket]

The thinkpad edge e325 is a nice machine but you're definitely NOT getting what "us Mac users," are getting for half the price.
Theres just a solid feel and an indescribable awesomeness to a Mac!! CANNOT be emulated or built at home. But if your claim makes you feel better about not buying a Mac then keep up the delusional work my friend!
Also, Bitwig announced their shit and have since went dark. So, you may be waiting awhile for them to actually release something.
I may check Bit-wig out but I still love Live!!! I'm sticking w/ my set-up!
Linux is cool too, I guess. It makes one seem smart when they tell everyone they run Linux, until they mention that it's Ubuntu!
IDK, i guess I'm more into making music than I am programming!
I'd rather spend my time creating music then I would tinkering w/ my computer set-up.
Mac. They just work. lol

Yeah... the three seconds between when I boot and start up live and when my buddy does the same makes his double investment into the same product SOOOOO much better. It's all about the experience man!

My 2.2 gHz. Intel i7 8 gb MBP starts up fast enough for me. Ahhhhh, the age old debate. I did just buy a new Macbook about a month ago. $$1900 is a bit steep but it IS my central piece of gear. The absolute most important thing in my set-up so I don't mind dropping some dough on it. God knows I've spent triple that on controllers and plug-ins, not to mention Live itself! I up-graded to the new quad-core i7 from my old 2008 dual core white Macbook. Honestly my old one was doing GREAT and I didn't even really NEED to upgrade but they're just so beautiful! I mean, the thing is one solid piece of aluminum. The machine is a work of art. That's one of the biggest reasons I love Apple stuff. Even opening the box is an experience. The fucking box their stuff comes in is a work of art! Call me a fan-boy I guess. IDK, I'd never use anything else at this point.

I work as a Network Technician so I'm totally aware that I could build a comparable (spec wise) PC for a fraction of the price but it just wouldn't be the same. I could on and on about aesthetics but everyone knows Apple products are quality. The new track-pad is ridiculously awesome! They made it like a touch-screen with tons of gestures which makes editing fun. I'm broke as hell but to me, the $$$ spent on a new Macbook is totally justified. I've used Live and other DAW's on a PC and it just felt clunky and generally shitty. I wouldn't even trust all my data on a windows machine. I've never had a Linux box running a DAW but I have an old laptop w/ Ubuntu on it. It's fun to mess around w/ but honestly I couldn't imagine using it as my main OS. To each his own though.

I do envy your SSD though! I can't wait to get one for my MAcbook. I think I'm gonna take out the optical drive and put it there. Thats gonna be my next investment. F'n things are expensive!
Anyways...........did Bitwig start Beta;s yet?

But OSX works 1/5 speed of windows7's in music production. We don't take computer as toy. We seem to look it more seriously than you and Fruit computer, Apple.


The question is, whether the system is meant to grow or not. in osx, many programs installed to somwhere directory, use it from clunky toy dog, dock?, whatever. you wanted to install and uninstall one program but you need to touch directory. "Don't touch important folders and files, please" an experienced person says. "what? should I touch that director something?", "what? important folder?" a noob said. on OSX its like that, first you need to know what the directory is, what the important stuffs are then you need a internet explorer for browsing to browse whole web site properly, and by the way you´re walking through two obstacle. its hard to stay easy on OSX, mainly because of compatibility issues and extraordinary unnatural i-toyish rule me thinks. I wonder if linux versions of flash etc. get updated less often, that would be nice (unless they stop working lol).

[Grappadura]

yeah I exaggerated a bit, ok, still there is no other OS where you need so many programs to be safe, and of course win is the primary target of viruses and scam. its ok to use windows but its generally safer to use another OS.

@bartend: I post about it cause I feel its a sexy setup. whats the problem? you feel i should be more loyal to ableton?

[bitbot.cc]

What's the shortest path to writing music? The one with the fewest hassles? For me that is Live, but there are a lot of other options depending on the musician. Bitwig might be yet another option, eventually.

One path that is absolutely not short is the Linux path. I spend plenty of time with it, professionally, to the point where I've tried, on a few occasions, to use it as a "desktop" OS - in fits of ideologically-driven geek madness. The platform is still supremely lacking if you desire a transparent operating system. There is no reality in which using Linux as a platform to write music is an easier/cleaner experience than using OS X or Windows. It -will- get in the way more often.

If you're fine with that (as a learning experience, or if you have such a hatred for closed-source platforms that your only alternative is to not have a computer) then go for it... I'm not even being cynical when I say that. You might think it's a way to focus but it will provide other distractions. I love Linux, but I'm pragmatic about operating systems, not evangelical...

[pskept]

at anyone who wants to talk about operating system x being more secure than operating system y:

security is a process not a product. if you have a clue about computer security you would be saying this instead. so shut it

also why are you all so concerned with bitwig when there is THIS http://www.drdrum.com/ ?!?!?!

[JuanSOLO]

I heard Dr.Drum is actually Live 9 in disguise.

[regretfullySaid]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa WHOA
Only $39???(but if you wait until tomorrow, it might cost you double or even triple the price.)




IT EXPORTS TO MP3 GUYZZZ SEE YA L8TR!!!

They really screwed themselves with the low price, though; it should be $399 then the kids would take it seriously.
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My Kaspersky license ended a couple weeks ago and I'm really not interested in the bloat or resources that AV's take up so I'm just going to see how long it takes or IF it takes something to happen.
It may sound completely stupid to you, but in my history of using windows I've only encountered a virus ONCE (worms/trojans in the lower 10's) and it didn't do much damage, and that was my fault because I was doing shit I shouldn't have been doing. The only time my OS has been compromised is from my fault, not others.

Otherwise there's stuff like Spybot to run every once in awhile.

[Grappadura]

What's the shortest path to writing music? The one with the fewest hassles? For me that is Live, but there are a lot of other options depending on the musician. Bitwig might be yet another option, eventually.

One path that is absolutely not short is the Linux path. I spend plenty of time with it, professionally, to the point where I've tried, on a few occasions, to use it as a "desktop" OS - in fits of ideologically-driven geek madness. The platform is still supremely lacking if you desire a transparent operating system. There is no reality in which using Linux as a platform to write music is an easier/cleaner experience than using OS X or Windows. It -will- get in the way more often.

If you're fine with that (as a learning experience, or if you have such a hatred for closed-source platforms that your only alternative is to not have a computer) then go for it... I'm not even being cynical when I say that. You might think it's a way to focus but it will provide other distractions. I love Linux, but I'm pragmatic about operating systems, not evangelical...

what hardships do you foresee?

[pskept]

One path that is absolutely not short is the Linux path. I spend plenty of time with it, professionally, to the point where I've tried, on a few occasions, to use it as a "desktop" OS - in fits of ideologically-driven geek madness. The platform is still supremely lacking if you desire a transparent operating system. There is no reality in which using Linux as a platform to write music is an easier/cleaner experience than using OS X or Windows. It -will- get in the way more often.

LOL! this may be true for you but it is certainly not true for everyone. many people know how to use linux quite well and without any of the problems (?) that you mention.

[pskept]

[moonpie]

Well, the whole linux debate hinges on one of the major DAWS actually making the leap 1st. 3rd party plugin developers wont since no one will be running there products on it.. If bitwig do... then... maybe ableton... Point is - either theres a market there for people who want to get a fast, super cheap laptop and avoid windows to create music on or there isnt. Id take a chance on the former. If a decent Daw makes the leap 1st, theres a good chance other developers will follow suit, then interfaces etc. I think echo audio support linux.


Im on a mac myself, but have had good experiences with linux. Funnily enough - I generally recommend linux to people who have have developed pathological technophobia due to previous pc experiences (and dont need ms office - which unfortunately is a smaller number of people. Ive tried move people onto open office, but ms office is industry standard and will be for quite a while). Ubuntu is at the stage now its pretty foolproof for the average user.

[regretfullySaid]

Linux will be key for Bitwig; I think it would've been a mistake if they didn't develop for it because that's where they will reign, and I think that's pretty cool. As long as ALSA covers most cards for the past 5 years; I don't doubt a lot of people on Ubuntu laptops will sport Bitwig.

I bought into the Ubuntu hype when Edgy was coming out and started fading away by Gutsy because my card wasn't supported and Wine wasn't working well with Adobe and Sony stuff. I'm sure there's significant progress; they didn't support vst at the time, now it seems to be growing.
Other than that, it was fast, light and I didn't think the whole Emerald/CompizFusion was gimmicky; I'd prefer mousing to edge of the screen to flip to another desktop than Alt-Tab.
It has TONS of strengths compared to windows, it's the support and compiling that's a PITA, but I'm sure it's gotten a lot better, and the auto-updates and repos are great imo.

Almost makes me want to get a cheap little Ubuntu book for Bitwig just to get a little variety in. And if I could push my midi and wav files from my ipod onto it super easily....omg

[Tone Deft]

Linux will be key for Bitwig

I wish them well but will never hear from them again if that's the case.

you linux guys are too far up your own asses to see the reality of the situation. nobody gives a shit about linux.

[regretfullySaid]

I wouldn't be surprised if it got more popular especially with Apples current presence; some will consider their motto and "think different".
It's not like it will be a threat or anything, but when some see a tangible DAW on it and that it's neither MS or Apple and can be useful on third of the budget.../shrug

At least it's another option, doesn't matter to me.

Every OS has a user base with it's head up it's ass.

[H20nly]

IT EXPORTS TO MP3 GUYZZZ SEE YA L8TR!!!

look again. "other DAWS" export to mp3. Dr Drum exports to 44.1 Stereo .wav