Is this a way to measure and fix your latency?

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mayabong
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Is this a way to measure and fix your latency?

Post by mayabong » Thu May 31, 2012 6:54 pm

I'm having some timing issues when I'm playing guitar. So I figure my delay compensation thing is screwed up or something.

I decided to take my headphones and put them directly over a microphone and record a few bars of the metronome going. I seem to have gotten that to sync up with the latency compensation.

The one problem I am having though is that when I try to record guitar.. everything seems to be early. I know myself to have pretty good timing and I'll record a few bars of just quarter notes going along with the metronome and its just early on each beat and I cant figure out why.

I don't have monitoring turned on. Its just strange to me that the i can record the metronome on time, but when I try to record my guitar plugged into the same i/o it would be off?

Any answers.. have I lost my timing?

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Re: Is this a way to measure and fix your latency?

Post by Tone Deft » Thu May 31, 2012 7:31 pm

do the lesson on Delay Compensation.
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Re: Is this a way to measure and fix your latency?

Post by mayabong » Thu May 31, 2012 8:36 pm

Hm just restarting my computer made everything seem to be ok again.

I did try the latency compensation tutorial, but I was getting major feedback, and decided to abort that operation.

I figured if you could line up the actual metronome out of the speakers with abletons time grid that is just as good.

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Re: Is this a way to measure and fix your latency?

Post by simmerdown » Thu May 31, 2012 8:44 pm

for recording, for me there has been nothing better than using asio4all..crispy perfect sync with the backing track...

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Re: Is this a way to measure and fix your latency?

Post by lilpoboy » Thu May 31, 2012 10:08 pm

simmerdown wrote:for recording, for me there has been nothing better than using asio4all..crispy perfect sync with the backing track...
I use it sometimes when I'm not around my I/o

Does it work better than your io driver?

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Re: Is this a way to measure and fix your latency?

Post by simmerdown » Thu May 31, 2012 10:15 pm

not sure what you mean io...but, it def works better for me that the stock driver (MME) and the buffer/latency setting within Live's prefs....

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Re: Is this a way to measure and fix your latency?

Post by lilpoboy » Thu May 31, 2012 10:51 pm

simmerdown wrote:not sure what you mean io...but, it def works better for me that the stock driver (MME) and the buffer/latency setting within Live's prefs....

I meant I/O meaning the driver that comes with your input thinymaggie.

I'll try it out

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Re: Is this a way to measure and fix your latency?

Post by Tone Deft » Thu May 31, 2012 10:56 pm

seriously, not using Delay Compensation to fix hardware latencies is just being lazy. there are workarounds but if you want to do it proper, use Delay Compensation.

your driver being ASIO4ALL or not has fuck all to do with it. that just means you have low latency to begin with. that's like filling up your gas tank by installing a new tank filled with gas. I don't know why I do stupid car analogies, I don't even drive FFS.
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Re: Is this a way to measure and fix your latency?

Post by simmerdown » Thu May 31, 2012 11:08 pm

whats it got to do with laziness?

why use delay compensation if there is no delay

using asio for instrument recording btw, not midi or other hardware...

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Re: Is this a way to measure and fix your latency?

Post by Tone Deft » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:21 am

no delay? it's a no brainer to call bullshit on that.

tighten your game!!

or not, it's your studio. telling people ASIO4ALL is a replacement for Delay Compensation is straight up bad, even harmful advice.

why is it lazy? because you don't want to do something. you do have a delay, it doesn't bother you but your recordings could be tighter. if not lazy, stubborn.

if anything, maybe you could use it and learn your DAW better. or be lazy. :P
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Re: Is this a way to measure and fix your latency?

Post by simmerdown » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:31 am

when i record, without quantizing, and i go back and look at the audio theres is no delay to be seen...when i listen there is no delay to be heard...should i pretend there is so as to come across as truthful?

if you read back you will see that i always made a point of saying 'for me' or in my case....not preaching shit to anyone, its a suggestion for something to try, and it does work

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Re: Is this a way to measure and fix your latency?

Post by Tone Deft » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:35 am

I dig.

USB and firewire, the whole signal chain from mic input to samples in Live has a delay. I agree with your angle about not tripping where there's no problem but if you did the delay compensation tutorial you'd see a delay.

I think this is the one big feature most people ignore and it's core to recording, well, usually is taking your case into account. it's poorly documented in the manual I've hardly ever looked at the Live lessons that cover it.

YMMV
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