Why Do We Newbies Suffer?

Advent57 · Post by **Advent57** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:37 pm

I`m going to upset a few people here but it seems to me that when someone new to this program(including myself) asks for help that some people think everyone should know they get nil or at most sarcastic response to their questions, why is this?

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:46 pm

Because they ask stupid questions and have dumb screen names

just kidding - people with hundreds of posts get clowned everyday - just start posting and eventually you'll get the answer your looking for, or you'll be like 'these guys are dumb'

fyi - use the search function though - saves you some embarassment

questions not to ask

Does Ableton have timestretch capabilities?
Do I get Operator for free if I upgrade to 5?
Whats the difference between session view and arrangement view?
What's better PC or Mac?
What's a real dj - in your opinion?
Anything related to Sasha but Plastikman is OK (rolls eyes)

You get the idea[/b]

drush · Post by **drush** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:46 am

i've answered lots of very basic questions, the answers to all of which can be found by doing some mild searching -- i remember what starting out was like.

the only thing that rubs me the wrong way are the posts where it's completely obvious that the poster has made NO attempt to find the answer first... or even look at the most recent pages of forum. or realize that there is a tips & tricks section.

use the forum search function. the manual is actually really well written. and check deeper in the ableton site people; they have some excellent tutorials there, including for things that have been asked about in just the past few days...

i think the majority of people here who've been here for a while really do like helping new folks. but no one likes to wipe noses.

Goran@Irrupt · Post by **Goran@Irrupt** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:56 am

i noticed one thing, though - there's quite a lot of newbies on this forum in the last couple of weeks...
not a bad thing, just a comment

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adhmzaiusz · Post by **adhmzaiusz** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:19 am

well ive also noticed the explosion of noobs on the forum recently...strange phenomenon or live has been doing some good marketing. good to see people using live more though

ps theres nothing wrong with asking questions but try to research on your end as good as you can--or you'll end up like that guy who asked if live did timestretching (when thats what it boasts clearly on the box) that was unforgetable

anonymouse · Post by **anonymouse** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:36 am

maybe it is because the reason that Live is so successful is that a paraplegic goat could understand how to use it

Yet, there are still people who have no clue, yet they claim to have some sort of drive to produce music, but struggle with the simplest software on the planet.

The movie "dumn and dumber" and Jim Carey with his tongue stuck against the ski-lift pole springs to mind when some fuckwit posts some dumbass question on the forum :

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:46 am

Worry not Advent57. I've been around for a while and I often find something new and obvious that I don't understand in Live and I myself will ask dumb questions on a reqular basis.

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:50 am

A good start is posting with a descriptive subject......

"I have a question"
"Questions...."
"Do you know how"

Those as post subjects aren't a good way start.......

"Using X to control Y?"
"How does X work with clips?"

Is much better.

Then it's good practice to use sentences rather than random words followed by a full-stop.

-Ben

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:53 am

read the fucking manual noobs!!

j/k

anonymouse · Post by **anonymouse** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:55 am

if you are extreeeeeeemely lazy but want to make music in the easiest way possible, then Live is for you.

but please make an effert to break your chronic laziness when asking the other members of the lazy forum to help you. Use a good topic title

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:04 am

How do I play a wav file in Live?

Answer......

Try!

-Ben

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:19 am

Any forum I have ever been on has a low tolerance of newbs asking really, really obvious questions.
This one isn't actually that bad.

Also in this case there is probably (for some) as sense of eliteism, See - Live serves a lot of types of folks ...
some have been educated for many many years over old style desks and trad studios, playing real instruments, effects are big black rack mount things. - this group use Live as a quick writing platform.

there is a second group who have never seen the inside of an old style studio, they dont know the background terminology of audio and just want to jump in and make some noise.

you can see that these two might just clash a bit.

regarding the inrush of new and not too informed types recently : it's as if some kind of really well known DJ has been talking about how he uses live or something ... and drawn a whole crowd of 'just starting out' DJs toward the app ... hmm, can't think who.
aaaarrrgh!

thx1138 · Post by **thx1138** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:34 am

djadonis206 wrote: questions not to ask

Does Ableton have timestretch capabilities?
Do I get Operator for free if I upgrade to 5?
Whats the difference between session view and arrangement view?
What's better PC or Mac?
What's a real dj - in your opinion?
Anything related to Sasha but Plastikman is OK (rolls eyes)

You get the idea[/b]

HA HA

DJRetard · Post by **DJRetard** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:27 am

Advent57 wrote:I`m going to upset a few people here but it seems to me that when someone new to this program(including myself) asks for help that some people think everyone should know they get nil or at most sarcastic response to their questions, why is this?

I know what you mean. I think many have this belief that Ableton Live is super easy to use. Its not. Put this software in front of a complete newbie or an experienced daw user for that matter and it can be a very head scratching experience. + it just got a lot more complex with version five.

For a complete newbie Live is going to take quite a bit of time to get to know.

Then again this just shows that Ableton Live is maturing with each release.

mike holiday · Post by **mike holiday** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:40 am

AdamJay wrote:read the fucking manual noobs!!

j/k

j/k???
man that thing is good reading and boy the things you can learn that you never thought you could

at first its just reading the manual...but after indexing though the thing many many times it clearly becomes the fucking manual...i know when i need to sort something the first thing that pops through my mind is "where is the fucking manual"
RTFM is a positive, constructive, helpful reply..that could lead the noob into a deeper understanding of things they never even thought about

i mean isn't fucking intament??? so once you have a nice relationship with the thing you can fuck it

so to all the noobs out there make sure your subject heading will get hits from a forum search!!

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