"Bitch fight"- DeadMau5,Skrillex&co-get some popcorn

[rikhyray]

http://www.mixmag.net/words/news/a-guy- ... -head-fuck
http://deadmau5.tumblr.com/post/2569050 ... l-hit-play
http://www.guycalledgerald.com/blog/mes ... -rat-head/
http://www.factmag.com/2012/06/28/messa ... -deadmau5/
http://www.mixmag.net/words/news/deadma ... ss-play%22

[beats me]

A Guy Called Gerald is so incoherent in his impassioned rant that I'm entertaining the thought that he's starving student.

I know who you are. You are some record company or failed journalist asshole left over from the last century who is jealous of the way electronic music is working in this brave fast new century. The only button you and people like you are interested in pushing is a nuke for the Palestinians. You come into our system that we have nurtured for the last 25 years, trick hardworking people into giving you their money, con honest promoters, take large sums of money out of the system and then spit back into our faces that YOU are tricking everyone.

What?

Tell me that's not straight out of a starv stu political thread.

[aisling]

There is a minor rat bastard factor with the mouse though, any way you look at it....The Palestinian comment was uncalled for in my opinion....I see a possible public enemy circa 1992 (after they made some anti Semitic comments that severely diluted their career) resulting for mr Gerald.

[rikhyray]

I had to read that Gerald statement thrice, simply could not believe he actually wrote it. Never met him personally but seen some video interview, workshop or studio visit and he seemed to be not just normal but actually very pleasant person. Whatever Mausie did to him, had sex with his daughter or refused to play (back) his remix or whatever the publication is PR suicide.
Curious what happen next....

[Tarekith]

This all kind of reminds me of the dumb Kanye drama that happens once a year. Some idiot says something controversial, an everyone gets all up in arms about it. In reality, doesnt really matter what they truly think, it all ends up being good promotion for the dumb ass that said it anyway.

[beats me]

I like how Deadmau5 said that really nobody including himself is doing anything special on stage and part of the reason is all the other elements of the show that need to be synced. Amon Tobin’s latest tour is insanely visual. I highly doubt there is a lot of improv going on there, and honestly I don’t care if there isn’t.

So a lot of the arguments against Mau5 lifting the curtain is “Shut up, bro!” I have yet to see a counter that shows without any doubt an example of anybody at his level doing anything more than what he is claiming.

[rikhyray]

This all kind of reminds me of the dumb Kanye drama that happens once a year. Some idiot says something controversial, an everyone gets all up in arms about it. In reality, doesnt really matter what they truly think, it all ends up being good promotion for the dumb ass that said it anyway.

That was my idea too.
BTW. because of this one I read about Madonna controversy. So the grandma said something stupid about ecstasy hoping to appeal to EDM crowd, D.mou5 points it as inappropriate but later pretends it was misunderstanding and that Madonna really meant some song not drugs. Who for f... sake would believe it? What I am curious about, is the deal Dmau5 did with Madonna estate to take part in the twitter circus. Song on her compilation? cameo on next world tour? I dont think it would be part in a movie directed by her, he seems too clever for that.

[Mint Invader]

Uhg... When did dance music become all "TMZ" on us...


Oh wait, thats my fault. I was one of those exited dopey kids that championed the dude... Fuck.

[Machinesworking]

So a lot of the arguments against Mau5 lifting the curtain is “Shut up, bro!” I have yet to see a counter that shows without any doubt an example of anybody at his level doing anything more than what he is claiming.

As per usual about this subject I have mixed feelings:
DM5 is a publicity whore, and simultaneously attacking other musicians for being button pushers while claiming to push more buttons is pathetic at best, but I like that he let the cat out of the bag.
Electronic music live is mostly prerecorded, at best the person is choosing between midi tracks they came up with in the studio, rarely if ever is it improved live, and rarely are parts played on a synth that aren't dead easy.
Live, the program is a great tool, but it's not even that well set up for actual live performance. I have a song where the main melody synth lines I wanted to play live as if I had four hardware synths and a piano onstage like some 70's prog rock deal but without the gear! Well if I attempt this in Live my CPU gets crippled, the solution is either deceased Kore or Mainstage... I was stunned that something I thought of as being a crucial live performance element was missing in Live, but really most people seeing electronic music want it to sound exactly like the recording, so firing clips with a conntroller is what we're given to play with performance wise.

[Linear Phase]

Too many drugs.. these guys are doing drugs.. I may have experimented, when I was younger.. but sooner or later you find that life is better naturally, and its so apparent that these guys are still on drugs

[beats me]

So a lot of the arguments against Mau5 lifting the curtain is “Shut up, bro!” I have yet to see a counter that shows without any doubt an example of anybody at his level doing anything more than what he is claiming.

As per usual about this subject I have mixed feelings:
DM5 is a publicity whore, and simultaneously attacking other musicians for being button pushers while claiming to push more buttons is pathetic at best, but I like that he let the cat out of the bag.
Electronic music live is mostly prerecorded, at best the person is choosing between midi tracks they came up with in the studio, rarely if ever is it improved live, and rarely are parts played on a synth that aren't dead easy.
Live, the program is a great tool, but it's not even that well set up for actual live performance. I have a song where the main melody synth lines I wanted to play live as if I had four hardware synths and a piano onstage like some 70's prog rock deal but without the gear! Well if I attempt this in Live my CPU gets crippled, the solution is either deceased Kore or Mainstage... I was stunned that something I thought of as being a crucial live performance element was missing in Live, but really most people seeing electronic music want it to sound exactly like the recording, so firing clips with a conntroller is what we're given to play with performance wise.

Well, also the general public doesn’t give a shit about any of this stuff. One of my coworkers goes to way more of these shows than I do and is completely unaware of these exchanges. All he cares about is the music. Hate to break it to the scene, but the listens don’t give a fuck. It’s only other producers and DJs. None of this is going to affect headcount at shows.

People don’t go to dance music shows for a jam band experience. They know the songs they want to hear and they don’t want them mangled for the entirety of the show. That’s fucking annoying for any genre. The exception may be Skrillex and the likes because people like that music for the mangling. I don’t think anybody is going to complain if one mangle is more preposterous and unmusical than the last.

[beatmunga]

I've always maintained that the enjoyment of live popular music in general is due to, percentage wise:

80% - the buzz from being in the same space as someone who you deem 'famous'.
15% - the mates who went along with you, what mood you are all in, and what your expectations were
3% - the quality of the booze/drugs
2% - the music. In other words, the sound waves that actually get registered by your ears.

That's why I don't go to gigs. Live music is killing music.

[rikhyray]

I've always maintained that the enjoyment of DJs shows in general is due to, percentage wise:

80% - the buzz from being in the same space as someone who you deem 'famous'.
15% - the mates who went along with you, what mood you are all in, and what your expectations were
3% - the quality of the booze/drugs
2% - the music. In other words, the sound waves that actually get registered by your ears.

That's why I don't go to DJ gigs. DJ who thinks that he is musician is like milkman who thinks that he is a cow.

fixed

[beatmunga]

Wont argue with that rikhyray.

But at least DJs play music that has been 'recorded' in the best place to 'record' music - the studio.

But shite musicians playing shite through a shite PA manned by a shite live sound engineer...

Un infammia.

If God had meant music to sound best at a gig he wouldn't have blessed us with recording studios.

(The existence of which proves to anyone without cloth ears just how shite gigs are)

[ze2be]

I've always maintained that the enjoyment of DJs shows in general is due to, percentage wise:

80% - the buzz from being in the same space as someone who you deem 'famous'.
15% - the mates who went along with you, what mood you are all in, and what your expectations were
3% - the quality of the booze/drugs
2% - the music. In other words, the sound waves that actually get registered by your ears.

That's why I don't go to DJ gigs. DJ who thinks that he is musician is like milkman who thinks that he is a cow.

fixed

There do exist real musical DJ talents. But I can count them on one hand, during the 22 years ive intensly followed the edm scene. In general I would say 10% of the DJs do something that stand out and reqires a bit more then just buying and playing records. The art is in the timing of the selection and knowing the crowd.

Anyone can make sound from a vinyl deck, like anyone can get sounds from a guitar. But how many DJs can scratch a melody musicly and originally?


But you guys are probably talking about the pop DJs anyways...