Can Ableton handle?

Jamie T · Post by **Jamie T** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:38 pm

An hour's live recording? e.g a dj mix.

I'm waiting for Logic to arrive and I need to record a mix, didn't want to get an hour in and find out it doesn't like it!

cheers for any help.

Jay

RePeter · Post by **RePeter** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:59 pm

are you using live to produce the mix, or are you making it on decks and just using live to record ther result?

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:02 pm

I've used Live to record audio and/or automation for much longer periods than an hour, no problem. The only problem I've had come up has been recording an audio file that was too large to save as one file, because of ntfs limits on maximum file size. Thats easy enough to fix though, just cut it up and save the parts.

Jamie T · Post by **Jamie T** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:51 pm

Just using Ableton to record the mix from some decks.

What kind of file sizes have you had problems with? generally an hours audio would be around 600mb I think.

cheers for the help.

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:56 pm

First off, I'm using a windows machine, so I don't know if my experiences are relevant if you're on a Mac.
After thinking about it more I remembered that the file size limitation I experienced was when I was using SoundForge to record. I don't know if that makes a difference or not. I did a little searching and found that ntfs can support file sizes larger than 32GB, so that shouldn't be a problem.
In the situation I was in, I had recorded about 8 hours of a show from the soundboard. When the show was over, i tried to save the file and an error popped up that said the file was too large. While I was in the process of cutting the file up, the soundguy pulled the power on my computer, so I lost the file(s) and wasn't able to recover them, so I don't know what size the files were.
I have not experienced this problem with Live, but I have only used Live to record 2-3 hours, although that was without problems at all. I should also mention that I was only recording in Live, and not mixing.
Based on my experience with Live, you should have no problem recording a lengthy set into Live.
I hope that is helpful to you.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:39 pm

ethios4 wrote:While I was in the process of cutting the file up, the soundguy pulled the power on my computer

EEEP! That was definitely an UN-sound guy. >:-( Sorry you got bit by the nitwit.

Meffy

drush · Post by **drush** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:48 pm

never done it with ableton but i would be shocked if you had a problem

psilosly · Post by **psilosly** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:08 pm

I was recording in 24/96 and had Live stop recording when the temp file reached my systems max file size (around 2 gigs). No warning or anything, just stopped recording. With 24/96 it was only about an hour or so. I still had that hour, but nothing after it. Of course, if you are recording at 16/44 you'll be able to record for way longer with 2 gigs. Either way, I hope version 5 will start up a new temp file if it reaches the max file size instead of just stopping.

Livewire · Post by **Livewire** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:27 pm

ntfs might support file sizes up to 32GB but most sound editors have trouble opening files like this and it bogs the whole system down.

things start to get risky around 2GB. i'm not sure how many hours that it in wav though. 5 i think? well so my point is that you dont have to worry about recording an hour of audio from your decks. go for it

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:35 pm

I was recording in 24/96 and had Live stop recording when the temp file
reached my systems max file size (around 2 gigs). No warning or anything,
just stopped recording.

This is a Mac only problem. Their max file size is tiny.

OSX: 2GB
NTFS: 16TB (Terabytes)
FAT32: 4GB

-Ben

Livewire · Post by **Livewire** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:23 pm

16TB

wow i hope apple will start using ntfs

Jonsama · Post by **Jonsama** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:12 am

Just curious- why would you use live to record over a dedicated recording program? What would be the benifits?

Livewire · Post by **Livewire** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:18 am

you can start mixing the recorded audio right away.

bensuthers · Post by **bensuthers** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:25 am

> This is a Mac only problem. Their max file size is tiny.
> OSX: 2GB
> NTFS: 16TB (Terabytes)
> FAT32: 4GB

The figure quoted for OS X is wrong.

OSX 10 is 2TB
OSX 10.2 which is 8TB.
Max file size for 10.3 and above is 16TB.

These numbers are the same as the Max Volume size; the only file size limitation is your volume.

2GB used to be the old OS9 limitation before HFS+

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25557

Jamie T · Post by **Jamie T** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:38 am

cheers for all the help!!!

Exactly what I wanted to hear!

I'm recording into Ableton because i've not put logic onto my mac yet, but Ableton allows me to mess with my mix even more rather than just what i'm capable of with some decks and a mixer!

Cheers