I was wondering; When you create a session which is using multiple outputs, i.e. when you own a firewire device, what happens when you open the session when the device is not connected to the computer? Are the settings permanently lost like when you forget to connect your midi device? Or are the tracks temporary unavailable or perhaps routed to the stereo out? And then if you connect the fw-device again? Will everything be back to normal?
Thanks in advance.
Multi-output question
Re: Multi-output question
When you open a Live file created with a multi in/out external soundcard with said soundcard not hooked up, as the file opens, it lets you know that certain inputs and/or outputs are unavailable. The tracks will all be available, you just won't be able to to use the soundcard that isn't hooked up. I record my bands using an RME mulitface, but don't bring my monitors to practice and gigs, so sometimes during a break or at the end I'll switch to my internal soundcard to be able to playback for all to hear over the crappy laptop speakers(if it sounds good on those, then we're onto something!). Then i just switch it back to the RME, you can do it all without closing or restarting or anything annoying like that. THere is certainly no harm to be done, the worst that might happen is that you have to manually re-assing inputs and outputs when you open the set again with the multi-channel soundcard hooked up. YOu can definetly switch soundcards while having a set open, or open a set without your multichannel card hooked-up, then hook it up while the set is open, and just switch to the appropriate soundcard in options>preferences>audio>..Maxim wrote:I was wondering; When you create a session which is using multiple outputs, i.e. when you own a firewire device, what happens when you open the session when the device is not connected to the computer? Are the settings permanently lost like when you forget to connect your midi device? Or are the tracks temporary unavailable or perhaps routed to the stereo out? And then if you connect the fw-device again? Will everything be back to normal?
Thanks in advance.
Hope that helps,
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Ryan
I don't understand. When does that happen? Does that happen randomly? I want to use my internal soundcard in the rehearsal room and multiple outs during gigs. I just don't want to create different sessions for that. It has to always remember how I configured the multi-outputs.THere is certainly no harm to be done, the worst that might happen is that you have to manually re-assing inputs and outputs when you open the set again with the multi-channel soundcard hooked up.
If you open up a live set which has previously used a multi channel soundcard, Live looks for that soundcard to assign the ins and outs as they were the last time you saved the set (lets assume this was a mulit channel set/save). If live dan't find that soundcard when re-opening the set, ithas no choice but to eliminate the multi channel options that are unavailable--i.e. if you have 8 ins from your multi channel sc assigned to 8 different tracks in live, and you open a that set with your internal stereo soundcard, the tracks that were previously inputs 1 and 2 from the multi channel sc will now be internal sc inputs 1 an 2, and the tracks assinged inputs 3-8 will now have "none" as the input because Live can't find the soundcard. Don't blame Live, how can it let you have options that are unavailable. The best thing would be to save them as different sets--I can't understand why you are so adverse to this. If you have your multi channel Live set, and want to open it with your other soundcard, save it as two different sets at the point in time when you created the file and all of the multi channel stuff is hooked up. Then just open the version you deem to be the internal sc version, and you won't have to worry about harming the multi channel set. Saving mulitple versions of a set only takes up a handful of kilobytes, as the set itself and all of the routing, effects... is what is saved, not the actual audio (unless you save a self-contained). And even if you don't save two copies, switching the inputs and outputs takes at the most two minutes.Maxim wrote:I don't understand. When does that happen? Does that happen randomly? I want to use my internal soundcard in the rehearsal room and multiple outs during gigs. I just don't want to create different sessions for that. It has to always remember how I configured the multi-outputs.THere is certainly no harm to be done, the worst that might happen is that you have to manually re-assing inputs and outputs when you open the set again with the multi-channel soundcard hooked up.
I'm just trying to help, and thanks would be appreciated, rather than sass and unrealistic demands on Live like: "It has to always remember how I configured the multi-outputs"
It will if you always use the multi channel soundcard. But if you open a multichannel set with internal sc, how on earth do you expect Live to still allow inputs and outputs from a soundcard that it can't even find--that would do no one any good, and just cause confusion--that's like getting pissed that it can't save to a hard drive that isn't hooked up--it's not Live's problem--its yours.
wow. i didn't mean to get you upset. it was early morning for me when i typed my previous answer. 
i noticed that a lot of people are cruel to eachother on this board. sometimes only because someone didn't ask nice enough.
well sorry. and thanks a lot for your help. thanks. really.
i can't help that somehow i feel i'd rather found it out myself.
i noticed that a lot of people are cruel to eachother on this board. sometimes only because someone didn't ask nice enough.
well sorry. and thanks a lot for your help. thanks. really.
i can't help that somehow i feel i'd rather found it out myself.
Sorry bro, i apologize for for not being nice. I agree that negativity on these forums is silly and trite, and feel stupid for taking a part in it. I hope you are able to find a workable solution to your issue. I'm doing (i think) somewhat similar things, and find the easiest solution is to just manually change the inputs and outputs on a per channel basis after switching soundcards in the preferences menu.
One thing I've noticed doing different band configurations (I'm in 3 bands) is that the audio preferences are remembered by Live. What i mean by that is that lets say you have a set with multichannel sc, and in the preference>audio you have inputs 1-8 enabled and outputs 1-4 enabled. Then lets say you save that set and quit live. next time you open live, even before you open a set, it has the exact same audio settings and input and output configurations as the last time you opened it. To some people this is helpful, but for me (and it seem like you as well) this can sometimes be a bit of a nuisance. It would be nice if the audio settings weren't global--i.e were saved on a set by set basis. This global nature of the audio setting might be what is causing your problems--if you have it configured a certain way (lets say inputs 5-8 active), then open a set that you previously saved with inputs 1-4 active, Live will re-assign inputs 5-8 where they used to be 1-4. Kind-of too smart for it's own good. The only way I've found to deal with it is to just change input and output configurations in the preferences manually as needed for a given set, then properly route the ins and outs to the right tracks. I could definitely see situations (especially live performance) where this could be a problem if the ins and outs aren't consistent from Live set to live set. It would be very handy for us and I'm sure others to have the option to save the audio preferences configuration on a per set basis, but it gets back to the issue I talked about in a prior post, about what happens when you open a multi channel set with an internal sc--live detects what sc/input/outputs are available, and automatically switches unavailable ins and outs to "none". Apologies again, and cool website--which band member are you?
One thing I've noticed doing different band configurations (I'm in 3 bands) is that the audio preferences are remembered by Live. What i mean by that is that lets say you have a set with multichannel sc, and in the preference>audio you have inputs 1-8 enabled and outputs 1-4 enabled. Then lets say you save that set and quit live. next time you open live, even before you open a set, it has the exact same audio settings and input and output configurations as the last time you opened it. To some people this is helpful, but for me (and it seem like you as well) this can sometimes be a bit of a nuisance. It would be nice if the audio settings weren't global--i.e were saved on a set by set basis. This global nature of the audio setting might be what is causing your problems--if you have it configured a certain way (lets say inputs 5-8 active), then open a set that you previously saved with inputs 1-4 active, Live will re-assign inputs 5-8 where they used to be 1-4. Kind-of too smart for it's own good. The only way I've found to deal with it is to just change input and output configurations in the preferences manually as needed for a given set, then properly route the ins and outs to the right tracks. I could definitely see situations (especially live performance) where this could be a problem if the ins and outs aren't consistent from Live set to live set. It would be very handy for us and I'm sure others to have the option to save the audio preferences configuration on a per set basis, but it gets back to the issue I talked about in a prior post, about what happens when you open a multi channel set with an internal sc--live detects what sc/input/outputs are available, and automatically switches unavailable ins and outs to "none". Apologies again, and cool website--which band member are you?
Thanks for the detailed reply.
I'm the one behind the iBook, currently a TiBook.
I agree that it would be really handy if Live would remember different audio-configurations per session. I'm about to buy a new audio interface which extends my 2 outputs to 8 and I already foresee problems.
As I understand it right from you, things will go like this:
I will prepare sets at home and will use 8 outputs. But then in the rehearsal room i'll only use 2 and won't bring my audio interface. I'll open the set and Live will tell me outputs 3 to 8 are unavailable. They will be set to NONE so I have to manually set them to 1-2. Then when I change something to the sessions and save it, my routings will be gone and I'll have to set them again when I'm at home.
This is not too big of a problem, I just have to write things down. It just sounds like a big hassle. Something which seems not really necessarry in this digital age.
cheers,
I'm the one behind the iBook, currently a TiBook.
I agree that it would be really handy if Live would remember different audio-configurations per session. I'm about to buy a new audio interface which extends my 2 outputs to 8 and I already foresee problems.
As I understand it right from you, things will go like this:
I will prepare sets at home and will use 8 outputs. But then in the rehearsal room i'll only use 2 and won't bring my audio interface. I'll open the set and Live will tell me outputs 3 to 8 are unavailable. They will be set to NONE so I have to manually set them to 1-2. Then when I change something to the sessions and save it, my routings will be gone and I'll have to set them again when I'm at home.
This is not too big of a problem, I just have to write things down. It just sounds like a big hassle. Something which seems not really necessarry in this digital age.
cheers,
Attn LIVe programmers, I just had a seemingly simple idea that would really help some of us out--the ability to save multiple templates (i.e. "save as" would be an option in the preferences, instead of the overwriting "save" template). Then those of us with different soundcard configs at different times would be able to load the proper template before opening the set that wants to have that template/configuration. If you could load a template from preferences, it would allow quicker set up (and possible live performance set-up changes) for various configurations those of use with multiple bands might have. Otherwise currently we have to manually config the proper scard, ins, and outs.... before opening up a new configuration, and do the same to go back to the first.....
Thanks for a killer program
Ryan
Thanks for a killer program
Ryan