Hello
we have some trouble with one of our device. its a simple one that send midi notes when you move a fader, according to position, speed and direction.
It works fine but when we move the fader to fast, some notes are missed. especially if the "number of step" is setted yo a value < than 16. thats why this 'number of step" knob is fixed to 16 as max. In order to see whats wrong, you need to set the knob's range higher in his inspector.
any help?
you can see it in action in every video here ( exept mezele ) http://herrmutt.tumblr.com/
thank you
help welcome on the beatfader device
Re: help welcome on the beatfader device
hehe i copy the link and forgot to past it...
http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device.php?id=534
thank you for your attention
http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device.php?id=534
thank you for your attention
Re: help welcome on the beatfader device
i try a speedlin after the main fader, no success.
when i print value before the makenote, i can see that ssome notes are allready missing.
when i print value before the makenote, i can see that ssome notes are allready missing.
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stefan-tiedje
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Re: help welcome on the beatfader device
I would do the speed detection with [timer]. A metro running at 1 ms for polling is a lot of events calculated for nothing...
An accumulated counting for the metro constructed with a float will lead to precision problems after 8388607 ms which is about 2 hours and 20 minutes. A timer doesn't need that...
A fast moved Midi fader or screen fader does not produce all values in between...
I simplified and cleaned the patch, I didn't know what the margin parameter should do, I left it unconnected.
It was easier to do the whole thing new from scratch than correcting the original patch - basically I just kept the controls...
Give it a test...
Stefan
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</code></pre>
An accumulated counting for the metro constructed with a float will lead to precision problems after 8388607 ms which is about 2 hours and 20 minutes. A timer doesn't need that...
A fast moved Midi fader or screen fader does not produce all values in between...
I simplified and cleaned the patch, I didn't know what the margin parameter should do, I left it unconnected.
It was easier to do the whole thing new from scratch than correcting the original patch - basically I just kept the controls...
Give it a test...
Stefan
<pre><code>
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</code></pre>
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Re: help welcome on the beatfader device
Finally I am watching your videos, cool stuff!
Stefan
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Re: help welcome on the beatfader device
hi Stefan,
Thank you for your time, thats great. Im into reading your update.
Now i just find a new way to compute control points and margin. i would re implant it into your version when i understand it.
Thank you for your time, thats great. Im into reading your update.
Now i just find a new way to compute control points and margin. i would re implant it into your version when i understand it.
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pepezabala
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- Location: In Berlin, finally
Re: help welcome on the beatfader device
Great videos, and very sick music on soundcloud, Herr Mutt! Congratulations! Love it.
I tried out your patch, I believe this is a great concept.
I tried out your patch, I believe this is a great concept.
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chapelier fou
- Posts: 6352
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Re: help welcome on the beatfader device
Fun Videos ! Same joystick here and same craziness. The faders things are brilliant. Let us know when your controllers die.
MacBook Pro 13" Retina i7 2.8 GHz OS 10.13, L10.0.1, M4L.
MacStudio M1Max 32Go OS 12.3.1
MacStudio M1Max 32Go OS 12.3.1
Re: help welcome on the beatfader device
hello stefan
The bug seems still there. it's works well but on hi speed move still trig 4 notes in place of 16 when moving fast.
so we try to rebuild a speed detection like you do.
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with the new display you could see whts is a margin.
@ chapelier nice stuf bro!
would you get our joystick patch? using x and y to browse a 4 x 4 matix of notes ( like mpc)
The bug seems still there. it's works well but on hi speed move still trig 4 notes in place of 16 when moving fast.
so we try to rebuild a speed detection like you do.
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with the new display you could see whts is a margin.
@ chapelier nice stuf bro!
would you get our joystick patch? using x and y to browse a 4 x 4 matix of notes ( like mpc)
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Re: help welcome on the beatfader device
If you really want all notes triggered, then you could detect the last, and trigger all which had not been triggered yet, or wait for the last, and trigger according. (would create a lag)
As I said, fast movements simply do not produce all values...
The new display doesn't tell me anything about margins, I still have no idea...
As I said, fast movements simply do not produce all values...
The new display doesn't tell me anything about margins, I still have no idea...
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Re: help welcome on the beatfader device
line help but ad latency, still lock for something to force reading positions.
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Re: help welcome on the beatfader device
try this, should work without latency...
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</code></pre>
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</code></pre>
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Re: help welcome on the beatfader device
yes!
thank you, it work very well to make note, i have to fix compatibility with the speed detection.
thank you, it work very well to make note, i have to fix compatibility with the speed detection.
Re: help welcome on the beatfader device
this problem seems unsolvable.
the "btween" patch from Stefan work very well to recreate missed note, but how to compute a velocity for theses "uzi generated" notes? (velocity is relative to the speed)
the problem is the midi protocol. the device could be functional used with osc input.
any ideas?
the "btween" patch from Stefan work very well to recreate missed note, but how to compute a velocity for theses "uzi generated" notes? (velocity is relative to the speed)
the problem is the midi protocol. the device could be functional used with osc input.
any ideas?
Re: help welcome on the beatfader device
I really like the approach of this device... but it lacks documentation and the demos are already offline (dead zippysharelinks).
http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device.php?id=534
Can anyone tell me how I can get this device working?
What do I need to do? How can I tell the device which fader to use for triggering stuff?
http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device.php?id=534
Can anyone tell me how I can get this device working?
What do I need to do? How can I tell the device which fader to use for triggering stuff?