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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:10 pm 

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Another option is to use FretPad http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device/382/fretpad as a Max Midi device. This turns the LaunchPad into Isomorphic keyboard layout.


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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:37 pm 

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I'm a bit confused. I added some information to the graphic:

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Where do I find C5?
Where does the scale continue after D#4?
And what is with the remaining keys?


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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:22 am 

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You can't find C5 because it's not there, the range is about 3 1/2 octaves. I'm sure there will be some kind of option for transposing up or down an octave, just like on most MIDI keyboards, or obviously it's easy enough with Ableton's built-in MIDI devices too.

After D#4 is exactly what you'd expect: E4, F4, F#4. All the other rows are similar, so except for the top row, the last three columns are duplicating pitches.


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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:14 am 

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Thanks for the answer. Was confused, because they talked about a full size keyboard in the video.

Just to be clear:
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The purple keys are the same, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:59 am 

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Yes. Each row above is a fourth.

Chromatically, it results in perfect fourths.

In a scale mode, it chooses the fourth note of the scale in relation to the note below it.

Scale mode also condenses the notes a bit and gives you a slightly broader range.


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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:01 am 

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Thanks vo1t. Just what I was looking for! One thing I'm note sure about is if you tried to play say a Major D chord in C Major scale what would you get instead?


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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:06 am 

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if you want to find out chords from piano here is a trick http://thomaspiperjr.com/my-blog/2013/3 ... -with-push

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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:53 am 

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In In key mode I can play all the minor major and diminished triads just using the same shape can't i?


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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:52 pm 

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So how do chord progressions works with fingering scheme - going from major to minor or vice versa? My Push arrives Tuesday. Excited! Powerful!

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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:53 pm 

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It is really fun figuring out inversions and playing methods in In Key mode.

Even more exciting is how easily and effortlessly it lets you switch keys while playing :D. They are arranged on the top screen selectable in increments of fifths like the circle.


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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:03 pm 

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djadonis206 wrote:
So how do chord progressions works with fingering scheme - going from major to minor or vice versa? My Push arrives Tuesday. Excited! Powerful!

major is the same as minor, it's just a change in tonality.

C major and A minor are the same notes. google 'relative minor.'

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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:01 pm 

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I think he is referring to chords specifically, and not scales.

In chromatic mode, the third is the interval the determines major or minor in a very basic triad. If it is major, you use a major third. For minor, you slip your finger one button closer to the root (or further if you're using the third above you on the left!)

I love playing chromatically in general, for how I think, but the feel on that controller is very widely spaced and not so efficient. That is just for me personally.

But then in In Key mode, it plays like a beast!!!!!! Yet, you're mostly stick with the harmonic roles of each note of the scale, and also stick with the natural chords as the result.

My closest solution for now, is playing in key, and if I use something slightly out of that scale, I'll try to hop to a different key. Or switch scales.

I need practice!


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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:07 pm 

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yur2die4 wrote:
if I use something slightly out of that scale, I'll try to hop to a different key. Or switch scales.

or reach to another keyboard?

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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:11 pm 

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The C chord does not have A in it. Therefore any basic inversion of a C will not be any form of A chord.

They share C and E in common. And you can use the same or similar chord shapes (depending on chromatic or key setting) to create them. But they are not the same chords, or inversions. Closest you'll get is C6 and Amin7 (wait, how do I make that where the A is a minor??)


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 Post subject: Re: Push Chord Patterns
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:16 pm 

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thanks for checking me on that. shit.

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