LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

[sdfak1234]

yeh, there has been some very good marketing advice in this thread

"We are not the best!'

"We do not listen to what you have to say!"

surefire winners

this thread is full of cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics

[H20nly]

this thread is full of cognitive dissonance, verbal assaults, ad-nauseum reiteration, empty threats, unreasonable assumptions, workable solutions, and mental gymnastics

fixed

[beatmunga]

this thread is full of cognitive dissonance, verbal assaults, passive-aggressive apologists, software provincialism, defensive chippiness about ones loved but deeply flawed DAW etc

fixed

double fixed

[H20nly]

this thread is full of cognitive dissonance, verbal assaults, ad-nauseum reiteration, empty threats, unreasonable assumptions, workable solutions, passive-aggressive apologists, software provincialism, defensive chippiness about ones loved but deeply flawed DAW, and mental gymnastics with a comedy of errors and a side of steak and lobster.

fixed

double fixed

Pro version fix

[sdfak1234]

very good, kind of amused. still losing my shit furious about Live 9 though. I'm kinda coming to terms with it now that it's over... but make as much noise as you can. Reiterate, threaten (not violently of course), assume all day that obvious stuff is going to get updated, don't accept 'workable' solutions, don't apologize, and choose sophisticated over provincial.

[OzWozEre]

There, fixed that for you.

[beatmunga]

To the original poster who only asked for 1 minute of our time:

not.

[simmerdown]

whew...so its over now? jesus lets get back to the random pics

[hmj]

Threads like this are important. It should honestly be a sticky until it's resolved but the sad truth is that -

PDC WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN LIVE 9

All the geniuses behind Live have taken their talent to South Beach aka Bitwig and Ableton is left with no choice but to act like Avid and sell hardware.

My advice to everyone wanting PDC is to buy Push so they can afford the needed talent and take this program to the next level. In the meantime, we need to accept the unfortunate truth -

PDC WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN LIVE 9

It was not a priority and there simply isn't enough time or talent over there to make it happen right now.

[ze2be]

Some of you guys make me lol.

[H20nly]

Thu Aug 13, 2009

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=121918

I've been using Live for a long time, many years since the early versions... I'm a semi-pro musician and I bought an APC40 a few months back, been practising with it and love the POSSIBILITIES of it... but I just had to write for the first time about my absolute frustration at Ableton 7 and especially 8... I know I'm gonna get flamed, but I don't care... I did a big gig the other night and I had to stop mid set because Ableton crashed on me no less than 5 times.... and I know what people are gonna say, blame someone else, 3rd party plugins, bad system, user error, electricity, whatever... like I said I know my stuff, I'm a pretty decent developer myself and I KNOW it's ableton's fault. Legit copy, I even tested the cpu registers and the memory of my machine, stress tested and everything.

More and more bugs have crept in and even in the studio I've had literally hundreds of crashes over every possible thing. I stripped down my set, frozen everything, tested everything multiple times over, cut no corners whatsoever and it still crashed...

The worst thing was that I hyped up the APC and ableton to a bunch of big name artists backstage, and I basically looked like a fool, ableton looked like a joke... and now even though I desperately want to play out with my APC and Live 8, I just cant because it is nowhere near ready for prime time... and apparently no matter what I do I cant make it stable and I like I said I had to write this because it breaks my heart that I cant trust Ableton anymore.. I worry you guys are going the way of Steinberg.... if it's for live use it should be stable.

Live didn't used to be like this. If this isnt sorted out soon, I'm gonna ask for a refund and never use live again... you cant even enjoy using anymore... there is nothing that saps my creative energy more than a crash. No need for replies, I just had to say something, because I dont want other professionals being fooled into thinking this app is stable anymore.

now that you have Cubase 6.5, are you going to upgrade to 7 immediately after the release?

[sdfak1234]

Thu Aug 13, 2009

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=121918

I've been using Live for a long time, many years since the early versions... I'm a semi-pro musician and I bought an APC40 a few months back, been practising with it and love the POSSIBILITIES of it... but I just had to write for the first time about my absolute frustration at Ableton 7 and especially 8... I know I'm gonna get flamed, but I don't care... I did a big gig the other night and I had to stop mid set because Ableton crashed on me no less than 5 times.... and I know what people are gonna say, blame someone else, 3rd party plugins, bad system, user error, electricity, whatever... like I said I know my stuff, I'm a pretty decent developer myself and I KNOW it's ableton's fault. Legit copy, I even tested the cpu registers and the memory of my machine, stress tested and everything.

More and more bugs have crept in and even in the studio I've had literally hundreds of crashes over every possible thing. I stripped down my set, frozen everything, tested everything multiple times over, cut no corners whatsoever and it still crashed...

The worst thing was that I hyped up the APC and ableton to a bunch of big name artists backstage, and I basically looked like a fool, ableton looked like a joke... and now even though I desperately want to play out with my APC and Live 8, I just cant because it is nowhere near ready for prime time... and apparently no matter what I do I cant make it stable and I like I said I had to write this because it breaks my heart that I cant trust Ableton anymore.. I worry you guys are going the way of Steinberg.... if it's for live use it should be stable.

Live didn't used to be like this. If this isnt sorted out soon, I'm gonna ask for a refund and never use live again... you cant even enjoy using anymore... there is nothing that saps my creative energy more than a crash. No need for replies, I just had to say something, because I dont want other professionals being fooled into thinking this app is stable anymore.

now that you have Cubase 6.5, are you going to upgrade to 7 immediately after the release?

I will certainly try it. Thank you for investing time to look back at my post history... I like how you're bringing up a message I wrote several years ago, a message I've referred to several times in this thread.... it feels like you're trying to prove something... all this proves is that I was pissed off with Ableton A LONG TIME ago... and if you think this is some clever point by emboldening my comment, you're sadly mistaken. This letter was written shortly before the apology letter for Ableton's problems and that kept me using it (you were probably one of the flaming responders, who were all wrong by the way - I envision a similar letter regarding automation for PDC AND THEY DID FIX THE CRASHING ISSUE), but regardless of that, the point is not lost that I loved Ableton as a program and I didn't want to switch, but I actually have done now... that was a straw, PDC is the final straw.... also that message is clearly in regards to the Live8 cycle, 9 isn't even out yet, so what you're saying holds no water whatsoever... so nice try H20, really smart and clever to go looking back at what I said, but unfortunately it's completely consistent with what I wrote here.... I know you really want to drop that super clever comment, but it ain't gonna happen with me. Sorry.

Is this the kind of thing you were referring to with idol threats? I don't even know where to begin with this concept, trying to suggest people are making idol threats... yeah, it's just ridiculous.. someone can waste their time to talk about something and you just negate it. For people reading this thread, you can assume H20 is right all day long, but I actually write honest posts.

[sdfak1234]

I find it interesting thats besides the issue at hand, we have people trying to discredit others, not by their arguments but by potential inconsistencies from messages wriitten years ago... Its kinda the weakest kind of argument and very telling about a persons motives... Is it to disregard the PDC issues? I dont think so.

[petit nuage]

imo, a free live 8.5 with full working pdc would be the best gift ableton could giving to us
good for their public image and to solidify links and trust with their customers community...
so EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY !!!

im quite sure people here are just like disappointed lovers...the same who tell theirs friends to try this soft and the same who promotes it in all circonstances ...like me !

but when i have learn about the pdc issue on this forum, i was like shocked somewhere, then disappointed and then angry .
because live 8 was sold like a professional daw with pdc ...or incomplete or broken pdc ?
can we name a daw, professional, if it dont include a full fundamental thing like that, as promise on the features list ?

so if live is just a great revolutionnary toy please ableton tell it or release a 8.5 version with full pdc for free.
since live 4, like lot of loyal users, i have invest money in this soft/compagny, for a professional product and this compagny is still here and in a good health i think/hope...

so with new competitors like bitwig etc..
in their interest , ableton SHOULD BE MORE GENEROUS with their customers or to expose their devellopemnt politic to us in order to know if its is interesting again for producers, to invest more money in this soft .
how many years and money i have to invest again to finally have a full working pdc as expected ?


so for me, im at the crossroad now and its the TIME OF THE CHOICE .
im waiting for the live 9 release and after i will choose.
i just hope i could invest my money in ableton again ...just as simple as that .


ableton please think a bout it ..and soon its christmas..so a good moment to communicate or to be generous .
give us that 8.5 version....after that release live 9 and all people will buy it, enjoying fully the new features, and celebrating and promoting it, without being paranoid and suspicious about pdc and timing .

so enter in the new generation /era of live please but dont ignores people who have bought live 8 thinking it already have a full pdc as mentionned on the features list (ADC) ... and finally makes live becomes THE BEST DAW IN THE WOORLLLDD

or not...

[sdfak1234]

imo, a free live 8.5 with full working pdc would be the best gift ableton could giving to us
good for their public image and to solidify links and trust with their customers community...
so EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY !!!

im quite sure people here are just like disappointed lovers...the same who tell theirs friends to try this soft and the same who promotes it in all circonstances ...like me !

but when i have learn about the pdc issue on this forum, i was like shocked somewhere, then disappointed and then angry .
because live 8 was sold like a professional daw with pdc ...or incomplete or broken pdc ?
can we name a daw, professional, if it dont include a full fundamental thing like that, as promise on the features list ?

so if live is just a great revolutionnary toy please ableton tell it or release a 8.5 version with full pdc for free.
since live 4, like lot of loyal users, i have invest money in this soft/compagny, for a professional product and this compagny is still here and in a good health i think/hope...

so with new competitors like bitwig etc..
in their interest , ableton SHOULD BE MORE GENEROUS with their customers or to expose their devellopemnt politic to us in order to know if its is interesting again for producers, to invest more money in this soft .
how many years and money i have to invest again to finally have a full working pdc as expected ?


so for me, im at the crossroad now and its the TIME OF THE CHOICE .
im waiting for the live 9 release and after i will choose.
i just hope i could invest my money in ableton again ...just as simple as that .


ableton please think a bout it ..and soon its christmas..so a good moment to communicate or to be generous .
give us that 8.5 version....after that release live 9 and all people will buy it, enjoying fully the new features, and celebrating and promoting it, without being paranoid and suspicious about pdc and timing .

so enter in the new generation /era of live please but dont ignores people who have bought live 8 thinking it already have a full pdc as mentionned on the features list (ADC) ... and finally makes live becomes THE BEST DAW IN THE WOORLLLDD

or not...

Im afraid people are going to tear this apart because I think your expectations are unfortunately quite unrealistic, although I do agree the PDC fix should be retroactive because you are absolutely right that complete ADC was sold and they changed the manual. I think the evidence is quite clear. I think was highly misleading and maybe even deliberate. Back when I wrote my letter in 2009 I was aware of timing issues but I had no idea what was causing them.

Here is what I think will actually happen; Firstly the temperature of this topic is almost hot enough to demand attention, so hopefully we will have one of these official statement letters shortly. I have a theory that maybe Ableton dont want to address it until after reviews come out, so that just like Live8, people will buy it without realising. The key to ensuring this doesnt happen, is with threads and noise like this. Hopefully computer music of future mag will mention it in their review, that will force a response. Abletons movement will go 1 of 2 ways, perhaps they'll shrug it off like henkes post, but that wont last long maybe it'll allow them to defer to version 10. I believe it'll be version 9.1. If the volume of user distaste goes up, they may even hold the Live9 release. Basically if reviews go out with it Ableton will have problems.