R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

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R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by miekwave » Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:57 am

When was the last time you saw a hardware sampler used in a studio (like a S2000, Z4 or W30)? Or a DJ spin with Vinyl (Without iPod/Laptop or CDJ)

I realize that DAW makes sampling so easy, but IMHO DAW sampling is so "clean and sterilized" sounding. The DACS in rack samplers had a unique quality to it that you simply reproduce on DAWs. Some examples:

90s breakbeat, Euro Dance, 90s Drum n' Bass/Jungle/Late 80s/Early 90s Hip Hop/Techno made extensive use of 12-bit and lo-fi sampling and loops. It had a raw quality to it unmatched by DAW samplers. So unique in fact that you can identify how old the producer is (as I seemingly like to think so). For example, hip hop producers in their 40s go out of their way to record VYNYL or resample into MPC machine and MIDI all their samples, younger producers use fruity loops and DAW sampling. I can immediately hear the difference in tracks released and find myself not really enjoying many tracks as of late. That must mean I'm getting old...

[Edit: fixed Vinyl typo - thanks Da Hand]
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Re: R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by Da hand » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:29 am

miekwave wrote:That must mean I'm getting old...
Yeah, it seems you are :P

These kinds of topics keep repeating. RIP this or that... whatever, I say. If you like it, do it. I personally would not bother with a hardware sampler. I have used them in the past and don't really find them superior to what I can do in software. If things sound too clean, you can always dirty them up ;)

Not sure what VYNYL is, but my friends and I spin with vinyl (and other things) all the time and I see quite a lot of DJs still use vinyl in their sets. It is true that it is very rare to see vinyl-only sets, but what would be the point of that anyway? Just to say you can do it? Why not spin with reel-to-reels then, that would be more impressive.

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Re: R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by bastien » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:41 am

"I hear you're buying a synthesizer and an arpeggiator and are throwing your computer out the window because you want to make something real. You want to make a Yaz record.

I hear that you and your band have sold your guitars and bought turntables.
I hear that you and your band have sold your turntables and bought guitars."

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Re: R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by freshdrumma » Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:07 am

Lot of vinyl djs around, really depends of how much you travel and what style you play.
hardware sampler is still alive but mostly in the form of mpc, except the new one is software, so you have to pay for the mpc and the computer...... sucks!

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Re: R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by Tarekith » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:03 pm

Octatrack

8O

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Re: R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by wascal » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:07 pm

bastien wrote:"I hear you're buying a synthesizer and an arpeggiator and are throwing your computer out the window because you want to make something real. You want to make a Yaz record.

I hear that you and your band have sold your guitars and bought turntables.
I hear that you and your band have sold your turntables and bought guitars."

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Re: R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by BlackLotusLuke » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:41 pm

i just bought suite and ive order an ensoniq asr 10 :) we have many vinyl parties here in south africa. :)

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Re: R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by bastien » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:16 pm

wascal wrote:
I hear everybody that you know is more relevant than everybody that I know :lol:

You don't know what you really want.

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Re: R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by twisted-space » Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:23 pm

miekwave wrote:When was the last time you saw a hardware sampler used in a studio
About 3/4 of an hour ago.
miekwave wrote:That must mean I'm getting old...
Nah, it just means you're not looking hard enough.

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Re: R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by 102455 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:34 pm

I think I may have to say R.I.P. to my Akai S900....

I switched it on recently and it's not starting up properly. The lights are on but nobody's home!

The display glows but there's no text on it, and the floppy doesn't work when the S900's turned on with a disc in there.

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Re: R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by adhmzaiusz » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:49 am

Tarekith wrote:Octatrack

8O
+1

bought mine to get away from the distractions of the internet. I've actually sampled more in the last few days than i have in the last year, still getting the hang of it but it proves rewarding and inspiring with every moment I spend with it.
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Re: R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by KrisM » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:49 am

Tarekith wrote:Octatrack

8O
f*cking this!
I don't 'produce.' I write music.

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Re: R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by v00d00ppl » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:40 pm

Not true. Octatrack. SP-404SX. MPC5000. MPC1000. OP-1.ESX MKII. Machinedrum UW MK II. Any current Korg, Roland, Yamaha workstation.

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Re: R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by astromass » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:11 pm

my sp-404sx has made me not use ABLETON! The loose feel of resampling and the fun effects have me in dream land!
loving it!!!
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Re: R.I.P Hardware Samplers and Turntables

Post by kitekrazy » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:33 pm

Anything hardware has no latency. Software will always have latency. There is no such thing a zero latency when it comes to computers.

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