Gun control? We need medication control!!!!!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5zvCdD9D1A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRC4lCQuBmc

none of it's far to look... loads on youtube, and not just crackpots with powerpoint, masses of witnesses and credible opinions

[Sage]

I've seen plenty of this stuff over the years as well and there's very little that ever truly adds up, especially in the logistics of it all. Add in that were civilians from all over the world in those buildings on that day, a government sanctioning their deaths is a declaration of war and if it was a planned demolition, no one or not as many needed to die and its impact on the USA would have been the same. Virtually no theories get into these aspects from what I've seen.

[cmcpress]

Killing someone via a drone isn't any more noble than killing someone as a suicide bomber.

I'm sure it's a hell of a lot more fun though!

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[Vivo]

Ok, some of you are saying meds is the problem, some say guns, some say culture, some say genes.

The truth is, culture is the main problem, and culture is related to the economic system.

America just waged a war on Saddam's Iraq, even though

1. There was no justification

2. America installed Saddam and backed him even after he gasses his own people, with chemicals supplied by the USA.

A million innocent people died, for no reason.

America knew Saddam did not have WMD.

America knew he had nothing to do with 911.

America told Saddam it was ok to invade Kuwait.

America wanted a military presence in Iraq.

NOTE WHEN I SAY AMERICA IN THIS CONTEXT I MEAN THE PEOPLE IN POWER

THE RULING ELITE ARE WAR CRIMINALS AND HAVE BEEN SO MANY, MANY TIMES. THEY ARE THE ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS, AND INNOCENT CIVILIANS AROUND THE WORLD. THEY HAVE HELPED DICTATORS KILL MILLIONS OF CIVILIANS IN COLD BLOOD.

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY THERE IS VIOLENCE LOOK TO THIS.

CAPITALISM IS A SYSTEM OF WINNERS AND LOSERS. THESE MASS KILLINGS ARE COMMITTED BY LONERS WHO FEEL LIKE LOSERS.

Everything you said was correct except for this.

---- THESE MASS KILLINGS ARE COMMITTED BY LONERS WHO FEEL LIKE LOSERS.-----

No,It's the drugs that make them snap. If they weren't on the drugs, this would have never happened.

Drugs ***MADE*** these people go homicidal not guns.

[cmcpress]

Drugs ***MADE*** these people go homicidal not guns.

there were a fuck load of homicidal maniacs before psych. drugs were invented, plenty of school shootings in the USA too.

Couple of Wars too come to think of it.

No mass murders with assault rifles before their invention though.

[simmerdown]

The truth is, culture is the main problem

---- THESE MASS KILLINGS ARE COMMITTED BY LONERS WHO FEEL LIKE LOSERS.-----

talking out the ass again, made up bs

if we had a culture problem on the whole, these things would be happening 24/7...they are dramatic events for sure, but actually a miniscule percentage of deaths, or homocides for that matter

[cmcpress]

The truth is, culture is the main problem

---- THESE MASS KILLINGS ARE COMMITTED BY LONERS WHO FEEL LIKE LOSERS.-----

talking out the ass again, made up bs

if we had a culture problem on the whole, these things would be happening 24/7...they are dramatic events for sure, but actually a miniscule percentage of deaths, or homocides for that matter

Over 80 gun shooting incidents at schools since columbine alone. Compared against the rest of the world which has far, far less that's pretty shabby.

[simmerdown]

oh no doubt, its terrible...now compare the use of antidepressants for kids, and the availability of assault weaponry with other counties, how does that match up? how many mass shootings before the onslaught of lithium, ridilin and all the rest? in this case correlation and causation are one in the same

[cmcpress]

oh no doubt, its terrible...now compare the use of antidepressants for kids, and the availability of assault weaponry with other counties, how does that match up? how many mass shootings before the onslaught of lithium, ridilin and all the rest? in this case correlation and causation are one in the same

In the US? Still way more than there should be. The USA seems to have quite a history of it stretching back beyond the 1880s.

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I've seen plenty of this stuff over the years as well and there's very little that ever truly adds up, especially in the logistics of it all. Add in that were civilians from all over the world in those buildings on that day, a government sanctioning their deaths is a declaration of war and if it was a planned demolition, no one or not as many needed to die and its impact on the USA would have been the same. Virtually no theories get into these aspects from what I've seen.

But this is the point really - so few of A LOT of points are discussed or answered. More than half of the people who wrote the report admitted they were blocked and the report was incomplete. Not even mentioning WTC7 or the 500 odd witnesses who were there and said they heard explosives before the planes hit is a massive hole.

I don't think whoever did it gives the slightest fuck how many people died. They are clearly psychopaths.

I've kind of thread-jacked - but it comes back to that 2nd amendment argument of guarding against tyranny. No matter who did it, if they were able to get access to those buildings for long enough to wire them, then somebody was complicit. Even if it was a purely corporate thing and the government had nothing to do with it, you could argue the people are living under corporate tyranny. And the government is definitely complicit in allowing that.

For anyone to be able to get away with such a massive crime that lead to wars that cost trillions of taxpayers money, over a million lives and a massive erosion of civil liberties sounds like tyranny to me. They have robbed the people, pissed on the constitution and nearly bankrupted the country, all without properly investigating their main justification for doing it.

So again, at what point do the guns get used against this? It's a central argument to the gun debate, and yet here we are. In fact the more I think about this the more I start to see why people want to keep their guns.

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[fishmonkey]

Americans are medication crazy for sure, however that statistic is badly skewed by who in the world can actually afford to pop all those pills...

[nathannn]

Americans are medicated because our lives are surrounded by chaos. wtf do you people expect? if you hear about wars and shooting, government/corporate corruption, you lack basic needs or know of many people who lake basic needs and feel always on the edge of finacial collapse your whole life, you will be depressed or suffer some kind of anxiety disorder.

vivo i asked you this question before in this thread and you didnt answer me so, im asking again
do you feel everyone should be taken off their meds? if so do you understand that a person taken off their meds is going to become way more chaotic than before they where placed on meds? have you ever experienced withdraw from anything? i have and you can not function under withdraws from phsyc meds. a person taken off their meds WILL do one of these two things : stay in the house/bed completely depressed and lacking motivation to do anything trying to control rasing thoughts or they will become violent.

and after the withdraw symptoms are over then what do you do? the person still has issues that can not be solved quickly with out medication.