Bitwait....I mean Bitwig

[Timbeaux]

maybe iam wrong, but i have read the first time about bitwig in 2011. But one year more or less doesnt matter. In my case i only wanted to say that i dont like to early announcements of products. On the sketch everything looks better then others.

Iam not a fanboy of something, I used many programms since 2000 (most of time Reason and Orion). and every programm had have his own strengths and weakenesses.

Sure i will wait. But i give a fuck on trailer videos until a demo is available.

[sdfak1234]

maybe iam wrong, but i have read the first time about bitwig in 2011. But one year more or less doesnt matter. In my case i only wanted to say that i dont like to early announcements of products. On the sketch everything looks better then others.

Iam not a fanboy of something, I used many programms since 2000 (most of time Reason and Orion). and every programm had have his own strengths and weakenesses.

Sure i will wait. But i give a fuck on trailer videos until a demo is available.

Im not going to split hairs over dates but comparing it to Duke nukem is inappropriate. I dont agree about "the sketch", at the bare minimum BitWig has to ship version 1 feature complete with at least the stuff on their homepage. Duke Nukem made no such claims and dont forget what happened with Duke was an anamoly, it was remarkable because such a thing hardly ever happens. People are acting as if this is a normal thing to happen with software. Bitwig shows no hints of being vapor, people have beta tested it.

[J0n35y]

You seem to like Bitwig a great deal which is fine, I don't care for it to be hoenst, but bitching about other peoples comments on an Ableton forum of all places just makes you look like a bit of a twat.

It hasn't even been released you moron. You're the one judging it before it's been released. I don't "like" it, it's not out yet, I will reserve my judgement which is what I think everyone should do.... "I don't care for it to be hoenst" WTF?? brain dead.

And here we go...

I don't want to get into some petty argument with you - it will only piss other forum users right off but I do feel I need to explain where I'm coming from.

I don't care for Bitwig as I am happy with Live. It really is that simple and I'm amazed that this is difficult for you to grasp but then apparently I am the moron. I am well aware it hasn't been released yet - pot and kettle springs to mind judging by your recent posts in favour of the software (how many boxes of Kleenex have you gone through over Bitwig?!).

As I said before, you can say whatever you like, I have no issue with anyone liking Bitwig or any of their super enthusiastic German developers but jumping up and down on Ableton's forum space with a raging boner for Bitwig just doesn't go down well at all. Seems like trolling to me. Harping on about when you joined the forum doesn't improve things much either to be brutally honest.

[sdfak1234]

I don't want to get into some petty argument with you - it will only piss other forum users right off but I do feel I need to explain where I'm coming from.

I don't care for Bitwig as I am happy with Live. It really is that simple and I'm amazed that this is difficult for you to grasp but then apparently I am the moron. I am well aware it hasn't been released yet - pot and kettle springs to mind judging by your recent posts in favour of the software (how many boxes of Kleenex have you gone through over Bitwig?!).

As I said before, you can say whatever you like, I have no issue with anyone liking Bitwig or any of their super enthusiastic German developers but jumping up and down on Ableton's forum space with a raging boner for Bitwig just doesn't go down well at all. Seems like trolling to me. Harping on about when you joined the forum doesn't improve things much either to be brutally honest.

If you don't want to get into a petty argument, then don't start them, you're the one throwing out comments and calling people twats.. and your stupid childish comments about Kleenex?? yeah, you do need to explain where you're coming from. of course you're happy with Live, that is no reason AT ALL to negate another product, especially one that hasn't had a chance to prove itself... your attitude towards Live has no bearing what so ever on Bitwig. Thats why I called you a moron. That's why I still think you're a moron, how you feel about Live is irrelevant in this discussion, is that difficult to grasp? you fucking idiot. Jumping up and down with a raging boner???.. you must be a child... I'm not jumping up and down about anything, I'm merely pointing out how dumb some of these comments are, especially yours, as if you had actually used Bitwig, you judgmental prick... harping on about when I joined the forum??? you questioned my opinion about Live, do you know what harping on means?? it doesn't mean a single comment. Moron. Bitwig is a direct Ableton competitor, the first one, that's why it's discussed on the Ableton forum, I didn't start the thread, being an experienced Ableton user is the reason why I discuss Bitwig, because it fulfills the needs and desires of long time Ableton users.

Now this is my last words to you, don't waste your time speaking to me again... You've got nothing to contribute, you are a fucking idiot, if you happy with Ableton Live, use it, don't even bother getting into a discussion about Bitwig.. .what is difficult grasp?? difficult to grasp how you get involved in a Bitwig discussion when apparently it's irrelevant to you... go away and play with your toys little boy.

[J0n35y]

Brilliant!

I bet you are a drunk driver too, certainly seem the sort.

[sdfak1234]

Brilliant!

I bet you are a drunk driver too, certainly seem the sort.

Well I wasn't expecting that reply. Weird.

[login]

Don't feed the troll.

[agent314]

I absolutely do have a problem with fanboys, because they delude themselves into thinking Live is just fine...

What about people who have decided that an unreleased pre-version-1.0 program is in every way superior to a mature, proven, currently available product that they've already made up their mind to hate?

I mean, I'm excited to see what Bitwig puts out, and I would love to see something give Ableton a run for their money in terms of features and performance and flexibility and workflow and all of the things that currently make me prefer Ableton over the rest of the DAWs out there now, but I'm not going to jump ship from the program I know and love based on a few screenshots and a demo video.

A guy who works at a local audio store was at NAMM this year, and he said that the Bitwig demo was crashing every 20 minutes or so. I'm not going to jump to any conclusions since it was a development build which are always going to have bugs and issues, but it's just interesting food for thought.

I could see something happening like has happened with the Audio-to-MIDI tools in Live 9. People get into their heads that it's going to perform all of these amazing miracles ("It will convert an entire track into MIDI for me, wobbles and all!"), and then when they finally get their hands on it and it just works very well instead of as impossibly perfectly as they've imagined, they feel burned and betrayed, through no fault but their own getting carried away with expectations.

It's like expecting to get a pony for Christmas, then being disappointed when you only get a puppy

[sdfak1234]

I absolutely do have a problem with fanboys, because they delude themselves into thinking Live is just fine...

What about people who have decided that an unreleased pre-version-1.0 program is in every way superior to a mature, proven, currently available product that they've already made up their mind to hate?

I mean, I'm excited to see what Bitwig puts out, and I would love to see something give Ableton a run for their money in terms of features and performance and flexibility and workflow and all of the things that currently make me prefer Ableton over the rest of the DAWs out there now, but I'm not going to jump ship from the program I know and love based on a few screenshots and a demo video.

A guy who works at a local audio store was at NAMM this year, and he said that the Bitwig demo was crashing every 20 minutes or so. I'm not going to jump to any conclusions since it was a development build which are always going to have bugs and issues, but it's just interesting food for thought.

I could see something happening like has happened with the Audio-to-MIDI tools in Live 9. People get into their heads that it's going to perform all of these amazing miracles ("It will convert an entire track into MIDI for me, wobbles and all!"), and then when they finally get their hands on it and it just works very well instead of as impossibly perfectly as they've imagined, they feel burned and betrayed, through no fault but their own getting carried away with expectations.

It's like expecting to get a pony for Christmas, then being disappointed when you only get a puppy

The people who have decided a pre-version-1.0 program is superior are deluded as well. You're not suggesting I'm one of those people?

I've been using Ableton Live for 10 years so I can have an opinion about that program. I didn't jump ship from Ableton because of Bitwig, I jumped ship because of Ableton. Live 9 was the puppy for me.

[agent314]

The people who have decided a pre-version-1.0 program is superior are deluded as well. You're not suggesting I'm one of those people?

If this is not the case, please accept my apology - but that is certainly the impression I have gotten from how exuberantly I have seen you defending and promoting the program, sight unseen

I am definitely excited about the possibilites, but that excitement is tempered by no small amount of skepticism.

I'm impressed by how well Ableton does everything that it does, and I'm not expecting Bitwig will be at that level of performance and feature coverage for a while yet, but I'm still looking forward to seeing what they put out.

I was really jazzed when the first marketing push came out, with the screenshots and video, but the lack of any additional information or word beyond "we're in beta!" has got my eyebrows raised

I've been using Ableton Live for 10 years so I can have an opinion about that program. I didn't jump ship from Ableton because of Bitwig, I jumped ship because of Ableton.

That's definitely an important distinction

[sdfak1234]

The people who have decided a pre-version-1.0 program is superior are deluded as well. You're not suggesting I'm one of those people?

If this is not the case, please accept my apology - but that is certainly the impression I have gotten from how exuberantly I have seen you defending and promoting the program, sight unseen

I am definitely excited about the possibilites, but that excitement is tempered by no small amount of skepticism.

I'm impressed by how well Ableton does everything that it does, and I'm not expecting Bitwig will be at that level of performance and feature coverage for a while yet, but I'm still looking forward to seeing what they put out.

I was really jazzed when the first marketing push came out, with the screenshots and video, but the lack of any additional information or word beyond "we're in beta!" has got my eyebrows raised

I've been using Ableton Live for 10 years so I can have an opinion about that program. I didn't jump ship from Ableton because of Bitwig, I jumped ship because of Ableton.

That's definitely an important distinction

I accept your apology. I wouldn't regard my posts as exuberant, defense of the program is just as redundant as skepticism of the program. I see no reason for the skepticism seeing as claims have been made and I believe if Bitwig does what is says it will do ( and I have no reason not to believe it won't, despite all the stories/comments I've read ) then it will be good. It's funny that people expect it to suffer from the same flaws as Ableton's development cycle, that to me is not the norm. I think the raised eyebrows are due to internet memes, mainly from Ableton fanatics, and that's a tough point to Ableton fans I know, but my annoyance at Ableton is not equivalent to annoyance of Ableton users, people get very touchy when you say bad things about something they like and I get that. I can't help but notice people moving goal posts with regards to Bitwig, it just seems to go from one thing to another, Bitwig in the interviews say they are showing at NAMM because of internet rumors of vaporware, so now we know it's not vaporware and all of sudden people are talking about performance and crashing, it will be this way until it is released. Live has had 9 major revisions and they're still not feature complete in my mind.. I know people disagree, but it's just an opinion. If Bitwig 1.0 is buggy as hell it's OK but they SEEM far progressive than Ableton TO ME, I honestly think it will be a triumph, but who knows?

[agent314]

Until I get my hands on it or hear some full-fledged reviews from people whose opinions I trust, I'm definitely leaning towards skepticism, just because I feel like that's generally wise when it comes to untested, unreleased software; I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed due to it not living up to my expectations

[sdfak1234]

Until I get my hands on it or hear some full-fledged reviews from people whose opinions I trust, I'm definitely leaning towards skepticism, just because I feel like that's generally wise when it comes to untested, unreleased software; I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed due to it not living up to my expectations

I'm going to keep an open mind.. I have equals amounts of hope (because of Live 9) and skepticism (because of Live 9).

Edit: BTW I haven't promoted Bitwig even slightly. Defended absolutely, I don't think it's fair for a small company who are obviously trying to do something good to be in the firing line by Ableton fanatics, fans of Ableton should welcome the competition and platform agnostic musicians like myself should welcome all new developments. There is definitely an element of users wanting Bitwig to fail and that to me is ridiculous.

[john gordon]

Been a while since I've seen a good brawl!! That was awesome

[sdfak1234]

There is definitely an element of users wanting Bitwig to fail and that to me is ridiculous.

I don't. That would be boring, and it goes against my nature. I don't want either to fail or win. Proof of the pudding is in the eating anyway.

Yeah I didn't get the impression from you.