Live 9 Pricing

[rluk]

Sorry guys, I have to whine somewhere too

Really-really ableton, 3 years, fixed automation, (no PDC fix) and upgrade eq and compression to competitors level and asking the same price some ask for full DAWS?
Another unhappy camper here for sure.

[JayNiko]

Really-really ableton, 3 years, fixed automation, (no PDC fix) and upgrade eq and compression to competitors level and asking the same price some ask for full DAWS?

+1

[Evil_Banana]

Sorry guys, I have to whine somewhere too

Really-really ableton, 3 years, fixed automation, (no PDC fix) and upgrade eq and compression to competitors level and asking the same price some ask for full DAWS?
Another unhappy camper here for sure.

+1
Logic for example is going way under normal prices, I'm happy to pay a little extra for normal prices, economy doesn't run on free stuff only. But 1 thing Logic Pro got down is CLARITY. No bullshit, no 17 upgrade paths or stringing along with "special offers". 1 version, a decent library, everything included, everybody gets everything.

Come on man, I paid a good deal of money to buy L8 Suite and have EVERYTHING. You don't go around and offering me 250E for Suite or 130E for Standard? You're downgrading customers, you don't do that!
Should have given Suite owners 1 upgrade path only for 1 price, 200 Euro by default, 40 Euro discount at launch. Suite owners remain Suite, no downgrades and hybrid Standard L9 users with Suite instruments. And I'm pretty sure net income will remain the same since people who are willing to pay 130 will probably be able to pay 200 as well to get everything, however not 250.

[f4te]

I tried emailing ableton but no response. Is $800usd the final upgrade preorder price for Push/ live 9 suite? Or will there be an additional discount.? A while ago they emailed me and told me once live 9 is launched, suite 8 owners will get another discount. Now I'm honestly unsure of what to do because I don't know it the price is correct or not and I'd like to preorder

[redglass]

If you own Suite and Max you do not necessarily need to buy 9 Suite, as you will keep all your Suite instruments and Max for Live. This is a route many are contemplating, as it seems that you only miss out on 40GB sounds.

That's the thing, is there a Suite only upgrade, in order to avail of the 40Gb of sounds, without having to pay for the Full Suite, it doesn't seem fair for those who paid for Suite in 8 already.

+1

A bit as if you have Komplete 8 Ultimate and need to pay a whole new license for Komplete 9 Ultimate.

I'm saying this as I just upgraded from Live8 to Live9+Suite, so coming Live10, I will find myself in a similar situation, should Suite be improved.

That said, I'm not too sure about how much of Suite I'll be using yet, as from what I've heard and tested compared to Kontakt's libraries, a lot of the sounds are very weak in comparison (Pianos, Rhodes in particular)

[mCKENIC]

I like the part where people are telling other people to suck it up.

I wont have the money that week - my credit card and uni fees are due that week - so even if I was willing to pay $225 to upgrade from Suite 8 & M4L... I cant!

[redglass]

Guys, just as another point of reference...my studio has been working with ProTools 8 for some years. When PT9 came out, we didn't upgrade, because PT9 was all about the Native (non-TDM) version of PT. No advantages for 8 TDM users.

Through the years, our upgrades from one version (PT5, PT6, PT7) to the next version (PT6, PT7, PT8, etc) have been $199, $249 or $299.

Well, when PT10 was introduced, the upgrade price to go from PT8 to PT10 (keeping in mind that PT9 had nothing for TDM users) was $1500.00!

OUCH!

So in my thinking, any upgrade from any of these companies is fair and reasonable as long as it falls between $199-$299. That's just my take on it.

BTW, I'm sure that the one-week deal on upgrades is simply to bring a lot of money into Ableton upon release...as they've probably had a long haul of paying programmers while waiting to finish Live 9. I don't think that's so terrible...

After a night of sleeping, I agree with you! Although 64 Bit is not a distiguishing feature.

[The Carpet Cleaner]

I'm tonna buy l9 the Fristot day,of release, EVENT tho ill b e traveling!

[H20nly]

so, let me get this straight, people are aggravated that they will not have the money at the exact moment when they need it to make the purchase... because Ableton gave NO warning that Live 9 was coming. Ableton have NOT issued an official release date, and saving money in anticipation of something that you know is on the horizon is an absurb 20th century type concept. in addition, 50 bucks is deal breaker for something you want so bad you're will to drop a couple of hundred on. got it.

on the other hand, maybe there is something to waiting for Bitwig to release their software at the undisclosed price on the undisclosed date with the undisclosed list of working features. maybe it will all conveniently happen on pay day or the same day as buying a winning lotto ticket. maybe...

ah, 1st world problems.

don't you hate it when a concert comes to town... since those bastards are frequently guilty of not planning out their schedule around your finances? - clearly a reason to boycott the performer.

[UncleAge]

For me the price is not the issue as much as the terms. If I do it that first week it feels like I am rewarding bad behavior. (I am a Suite+M4L user)

The price is a different issue for me. I feel most of what was improved should have been an update not an upgrade. With that said, I think the overall pricing is fair considering that the M4L upgrade could have been priced separately. That fact that it is included in the pricing makes it a little more palatable.

How palatable? It's a little too early for me to judge that. But I'm disappointed with the offerings I have seen so far. For the first time I understand the mentality of sitting out for one upgrade cycle. So far I have only found two things that will improve my workflow and I'm still on the fence as to whether that justifies $199, let alone $299.

However I can see how others may find this round of addons a plus.

[Timbeaux]

i would like to know how much people buyed it already. and how many percent of the ableton users are not fine with the pricing. maybe they are just a drop of water in a sea of users.

[UncleAge]

so, let me get this straight, people are aggravated that they will not have the money at the exact moment when they need it to make the purchase... because Ableton gave NO warning that Live 9 was coming. Ableton have NOT issued an official release date, and saving money in anticipation of something that you know is on the horizon is an absurb 20th century type concept. in addition, 50 bucks is deal breaker for something you want so bad you're will to drop a couple of hundred on. got it.

I get your point. But it still seems to me that if you could offer the discount for a week to "valued customers" then you could offer it for a month. I don't understand their angle and I don't think it makes for a better relationship.

It's not an issue of having money. At least its not for all of us.

[H20nly]

^ i can see your point too. BUT if you want the software and you know it's coming then what is the problem? it only really takes two or three minutes to make an online purchase. it's not like we have to pool our resources to rent a van and drive to Berlin so that we can all go to the Ableton store. it's not an iPhone 6, it's a download or box in the mail.


there are 1440 minutes in a day
10080 minutes in a week.

how long does it take to make an online purchase? 5? 10?

if this was one of those group saver deals for some VST that required 200 people to sign up by 7'o clock on a Thursday 3 days from now people would be scrambling to SPAM their friends and every music site from here to Timbuktu.

[Evil_Banana]

i would like to know how much people buyed it already. and how many percent of the ableton users are not fine with the pricing. maybe they are just a drop of water in a sea of users.

55 pages of confusion and frustration on this thread alone sound to me like a bit more than a few drops.
And besides, it's not because people buy the upgrade because they want it, that they're actually happy with the price and the treatment they got.

For me personally I think, if this is the "special offer", I'm going to wait to check out Bitwig demo first, see if that brings me more smiles for my money. I mean, there's no deal on the L8 Suite to L9 Standard path, and IF I deem it worth to pay 200Euros, I'll pay 250 as well. Not much to lose there by skipping the special offer. I'm not going to be pressured out of trying alternatives over 50 Euros.

[mCKENIC]

Oh well!

Im happy others are happy about this. Im happy others can afford it and yes my finances are that tight that I cant make a decision 3 weeks in advance or save up. Im happy that is amusing to other folk.