The software isn't being released until March 5th. If there is a demo on day one then I can download it and try to evaluate it within a week. If I can't drop what I am doing then tough luck I guess.H20nly wrote:^ i can see your point too. BUT if you want the software and you know it's coming then what is the problem? it only really takes two or three minutes to make an online purchase..
H20nly wrote:UncleAge... i expect this stuff from others, but you've been around. download the [actual] beta brother!
I did. Last night. 
UncleAge wrote:H20nly wrote:UncleAge... i expect this stuff from others, but you've been around. download the [actual] beta brother!
I still think my argument has merit though, even if it doesn't belong in this thread
- okay. i concede. i think i've stirred the pot enough for one day. That's one of Bitwig's biggest advantages: it's being released on pay day!H20nly wrote: on the other hand, maybe there is something to waiting for Bitwig to release their software at the undisclosed price on the undisclosed date with the undisclosed list of working features. maybe it will all conveniently happen on pay day or the same day as buying a winning lotto ticket
Interesting question.Bebbo wrote:Hello,
I have Ableton Live 8 Suite + M4L and my price is 169€ (apparently after 12/03 will be 249€)
What is the price for Ableton Live 8 Suite ONLY Owners?
How much my M4L is worth?
sporkles wrote:That's one of Bitwig's biggest advantages: it's being released on pay day!H20nly wrote: on the other hand, maybe there is something to waiting for Bitwig to release their software at the undisclosed price on the undisclosed date with the undisclosed list of working features. maybe it will all conveniently happen on pay day or the same day as buying a winning lotto ticket
yeah... Bitwig's pay day No, that's what you were thaught to think that capitalism and economics is. But there is no capitalism without customers, there is no economics either. Customers underestimate their value. Of course, customers shouldn't overestimate their value either (you know, when people demand free stuff), there's no economics without companies either. It's not because you're small, you don't matter. You're as insignificant as you consider yourself to be. Plenty of examples where people proved otherwise.H20nly wrote:^ well Mr. Wallet, welcome to capitalism and economics. please have a seat here next to Mr. Dreamer, Mr. Ideals and Mr. Irememberwhen. today we will have a discussion on how even creating your own company will most likely not change the way others do things.
Mine is £164, I assume this includes my additional discount for beta testing/being awesome.Bebbo wrote: What is the price for Ableton Live 8 Suite ONLY Owners?
i believe that. truly i do.Evil_Banana wrote:No, that's what you were thaught to think that capitalism and economics is. But there is no capitalism without customers, there is no economics either. Customers underestimate their value. Of course, customers shouldn't overestimate their value either (you know, when people demand free stuff), there's no economics without companies either. It's not because you're small, you don't matter. You're as insignificant as you consider yourself to be. Plenty of examples where people proved otherwise.H20nly wrote:^ well Mr. Wallet, welcome to capitalism and economics. please have a seat here next to Mr. Dreamer, Mr. Ideals and Mr. Irememberwhen. today we will have a discussion on how even creating your own company will most likely not change the way others do things.
+ 1stringtapper wrote:For me personally the $200 is worth having official support for using Max 6 with M4L alone. The rest is gravy.
Arbitrage opportunity.Bebbo wrote:Hello,
I have Ableton Live 8 Suite + M4L and my price is 169€ (apparently after 12/03 will be 249€)
What is the price for Ableton Live 8 Suite ONLY Owners?
How much my M4L is worth?
Agreed, although I'm not only griping about the deal itself, but rather the whole thing. The differences are illogical, the approach even more and they do the same shit all other companies do, reward the new customer, ignore the existing ones. They had 3 years to come up with this? I know griping about it won't change anything now, but not griping about it (and voicing it) will definitely not change anything for the future either.H20nly wrote: i believe that. truly i do.
i also believe that if the company is selling something i want... they have a standard price, that for the most part, i'd be willing to pay.... and then they offer a lower price... i am getting a deal. i can wish the deal was better, but griping about it won't make it so.
it's true that what Ableton have done with pricing is a bit inelegant, albeit somewhat accidental (see pricing oops)... but shit, look at that hideous website! compared to that nothing could be a more in your face and deliberately belligerent mistake on their part!
I have yet to find the Forum-link on the frontpage. You know what's even worse than putting up that hideous website? Still having it up unaltered after almost 5 months (and many complaints) 
It does however agree with their entire approach for this launch... "We were going to do it this way and no matter what people say, we will not change course!"