dual monitor support damnit!!!!!

[infernal.machine]

yeah, that´s right ... but ableton is a very cool software without. and DMS did not make You a better musician. that´s what a lot of people don´t understand. they think, if I have this cool new feature, my music-skills will be better - but that´s an illusion, they will have the same problems finishing a project, i know, what i´m talking about ... sometimes I think, succesfull musicians don´t need to moan about missing features of a DAW, they have their way to use them. so many people are beefing against ableton, because of missing features like DMS, but they use only 10% of the software... if You ask Yourself, Do I really need DMS for making good music, the answer is NO. Some years ago, no DAW had DMS, but good musicians made great music to. Asking for DMS is just because other DAW have it or because of the modern world and other bullshit, no matter, if it´s really needed! So, i think - close your laptop and stop bashing or make great music with your recources ...

I don't use live to make music. I use it to make more intelligent and informed complaints on these forums.

[Timbeaux]

but ableton is a very cool software without. and DMS did not make You a better musician. that´s what a lot of people don´t understand. they think, if I have this cool new feature, my music-skills will be better - but that´s an illusion, they will have the same problems finishing a project, i know, what i´m talking about ...

I would say, everthing that saves time is a cool feature. And it would be a time saver and help to make it more lucid.

That has nothing to do with: "my skills will be better".

[bootykowski]

I would say, everthing that saves time is a cool feature. And it would be a time saver and help to make it more lucid.

hmm, i can switch the view with the tab-key in the same speed (or even faster) than the mouse ... time saving is no argument if you know, how to use your software and if you develop a workflow, that makes sense for you with the recources you have. and sorry, ableton is very lucid, other daws like logic captured Abletons one-window-GUI, because it makes sense, especially in a live situation (and by the way, the softwares name is LIVE)... I´m really sure about, if Ableton has DMS sometimes, there will be an other negative argument.

What I wrote about, that it don´t make You a better musician - it´s my experience in the last 10 years with different DAWs and People, who use them. The succesfull musicians do their work, they have no time to moan, if they are unhappy with their instrument, they switch - no matter if it´s a guitar or a DAW... the other People everytime find a way to procrastinate with moaning or they buy this new software and that synth, they always have the newest piece of shit, they have a paradise of possibilities, but they will be unsuccesful because of their own. Why some of the best musicians out there, work with just shit and produce the greatest stuff out there? They don´t think about time saving. They are happy with their own way... This thread has 12 Pages now, and the discussion is endless, not just here. A last word about saving time: How much time you could save, if you don´t think about, whats missing, if You just use the endless possibilities, that are already there. I by myself thought - cool, the new version will have DMS. The reality is, No it has not, i´m living in the reality, that´s why: Fuck about that, it doesn´t matter!

I thank god for a software like ableton. i wanted to make music really early - in the 90s a sampler was unaffordable for the most of us. the DAWs were to much complicated for me and so many other people. Ableton changed the way of making music for everyone in a good way...

They did a decision - no DMS in Live 9, i´m sure, they did it for a good reason!

[infernal.machine]

[Timbeaux]

i dont talk about a timesaving by using a shortcut. iam talking about timesaving by seeing whats going on. i only have roundabout 1 hour to make music under the week. maybe some more at the weekend. if u have a job, a girl and a hobby every minute counts.

yes ableton is a great product. 3 years ago switched from reason (which i started from version 1) to ableton and it was a mess at first. But i got used to it.

I would like to have "TMS" triple monitor support. one for session/mixer. one for the devices and one for arrangement. Would be much better, no need to zoom in zoom out all the time. but maybe getting glasses would be the easier way.


How do u know that they dont complain about time saving? u know the most of them in real life? or is it just a assumption of u? (just for my interest, dont wanna provoke)

[bootykowski]

I don't use live to make music. I use it to make more intelligent and informed complaints on these forums.

so many people talk about time saving (with DMS), but they lose so much time with complaining.
there are so many great DAWs out there and there was no better situation for musicians like now, but so many people are complaining.
ableton (and all the other DAWs) are endless feature-packed, but lot of musicians do waste creative energy by complaining endless.
the best requirement for success is to live for the present, that means, to accept the reality. the reality is - NO DMS in Live 9...
complaining means to live not for the present!

[Timbeaux]

to desire something and to complain is not the same

[bootykowski]

@ infernal.machine


haha, nice picture...
if I could do music right in the moment, i would!

[infernal.machine]

to desire something and to complain is not the same

Yeah complaining is waaaay more fun.

[3osc]

yeah, that´s right ... but ableton is a very cool software without. and DMS did not make You a better musician. that´s what a lot of people don´t understand. they think, if I have this cool new feature, my music-skills will be better - but that´s an illusion, they will have the same problems finishing a project, i know, what i´m talking about ... sometimes I think, succesfull musicians don´t need to moan about missing features of a DAW, they have their way to use them. so many people are beefing against ableton, because of missing features like DMS, but they use only 10% of the software... if You ask Yourself, Do I really need DMS for making good music, the answer is NO. Some years ago, no DAW had DMS, but good musicians made great music to. Asking for DMS is just because other DAW have it or because of the modern world and other bullshit, no matter, if it´s really needed! So, i think - close your laptop and stop bashing or make great music with your recources ...

Do you.... really, need ABleton LIVE to make...good music?...NO, therefore don`t talk about ableton.live.

[bootykowski]

How do u know that they dont complain about time saving? u know the most of them in real life? or is it just a assumption of u? (just for my interest, dont wanna provoke)

just assumption! But as i wrote earlier: i really know just two groups of musicians for about 15 years now (no matter, if they have wife, kids, 9-5jobs or if they are classic musicians or turntablists). the first group is doing music just with their recources, they are MOSTLY happy and THANKFUL with their instruments, they are just unhappy with their own results and work hard on getting better and better. the other group always find a way to distract from their own ...
I had the same problem a long time. i was really curious about all the new software releases, i bought everything with no success after.
no better music after every new piece of shit. after the first euphoria with new software, i was really unsatisfied with all the stuff out there. after switching back and keeping it simple (just ableton instead 73 plugins), my personal success growth. i developed a ultrafast workflow in months, getting better and better with ableton. and suddenly there is no reason anymore, to complain about any computer (if i think about all the apple or pc haters) or any instrument.

i bought a piano some weeks ago. it´s old and i paid way to much for, because i´m a stupid amateur. it sounds horrible and will me cost a lot of money to repair. but for the moment (without the money for repair) i´m happy with, because it´s a real piano!
i have a puppy dog here at home, no time to make music, because the baby needs a lot of silent hours, every free second i wanna use for finding a better workflow with the really great upgrade of live 9, instead thinking of features, that are not there!

[bootykowski]

to desire something and to complain is not the same

Yeah complaining is waaaay more fun.

haha ... nice, that´s true. but u lose so much energy and time ... haha
the headline in this post is: "dual monitor support damnit!!!!!"
is this not complaining?

[bootykowski]

yeah, that´s right ... but ableton is a very cool software without. and DMS did not make You a better musician. that´s what a lot of people don´t understand. they think, if I have this cool new feature, my music-skills will be better - but that´s an illusion, they will have the same problems finishing a project, i know, what i´m talking about ... sometimes I think, succesfull musicians don´t need to moan about missing features of a DAW, they have their way to use them. so many people are beefing against ableton, because of missing features like DMS, but they use only 10% of the software... if You ask Yourself, Do I really need DMS for making good music, the answer is NO. Some years ago, no DAW had DMS, but good musicians made great music to. Asking for DMS is just because other DAW have it or because of the modern world and other bullshit, no matter, if it´s really needed! So, i think - close your laptop and stop bashing or make great music with your recources ...

Do you.... really, need ABleton LIVE to make...good music?...NO, therefore don`t talk about ableton.live.

Promote What You Love Instead Of Bashing What You Hate!

[3osc]

Do you.... really, need ABleton LIVE to make...good music?...NO, therefore don`t talk about ableton.live.

Promote What You Love Instead Of Bashing What You Hate!

But, I love yoooooooouuuuuuuu! <3<3<3

[mbakirov]

I had the same problem a long time. i was really curious about all the new software releases, i bought everything with no success after.
no better music after every new piece of shit. after the first euphoria with new software, i was really unsatisfied with all the stuff out there. after switching back and keeping it simple (just ableton instead 73 plugins), my personal success growth. i developed a ultrafast workflow in months, getting better and better with ableton. and suddenly there is no reason anymore, to complain about any computer (if i think about all the apple or pc haters) or any instrument.

Great point!
I am a Software DEV and I am configuraholic and always read about new soft\hardware,etc. But now I am starting to think that I have my essential set of instruments, and maybe I need to concentrate more on the music itself. In my active rack I Use Ableton Standard, Sonatina symphonc library for strings, grand piano, hammond plugin, Alpha-ray for synth, and a hardware guitar with Digitech RP355 and this already can produce cool stuff..