Sitting on the Fence - Push or Maschine

[yur2die4]

I think the main limitation with loading vst's not embedded in a rack is the recalling of mapped parameters. I might recall that vst loading is still possible.

Another interacting thing to take into account when it comes to parameter availability of vsts is the Options.txt option to populate vst parameters

[lo.key]

I guess it all depends on how you look at it but they all seem like quite a list of some glaring omissions to me.

i invite you to code solutions to all your well noted feature gaps. This is an open hardware platform controlling an open audio platform. Stop thinking of this as a finished product, and realize its a set of tools for -you- to do what you want with. Explore, learn, have fun! It will give you something more productive to do ;D

[humnumb]

I think the main limitation with loading vst's not embedded in a rack is the recalling of mapped parameters. I might recall that vst loading is still possible.

There is no VST automapping with Push. VST loading is not possible without either configuring it beforehand or saving as a rack beforehand. Out of the two workarounds, you will only have recalling of mapped parameters if you save as a rack beforehand.

i invite you to code solutions to all your well noted feature gaps. This is an open hardware platform controlling an open audio platform.

I don't ever recall either Live or Push being open source like true "open hardware platforms" or "open audio platforms"? Or do you mean they're "open" only for customers of Live Suite/M4L and python programmers?

[humnumb]

You can select multiple notes and adjust parameters, nudge etc.

Not according to Ableton:

can you 'multi select' clips or notes and apply changes (move/reverse/quantize etc.) using Push?

No. There is no multi-select on Push, but your wish is noted.

[yur2die4]

Well, there is this:
http://sonicbloom.net/en/ableton-live-i ... xt-part-3/

It isn't perfect, but I mean, when would you ever be in a situation to be able to switch around and prioritize your own personal vst parameters without having to reach for the mouse?

..still, apparently the Loading of vsts themselves directly from the controller is an issue being tackled.

I wonder if AbletonInc would see a benefit in letting that be accessible from the Push browser?

[deva]

- list of stuff 'missing'

I guess it all depends on how you look at it but they all seem like quite a list of some glaring omissions to me.

Omissions because you have an idea of what you want it to be. It is absurd to complain that a hammer does not have a screwdriver on it and call it an omission.

Push is a realtime performance tool. It is not meant for construction of drum kits, synth presets, etc. That stuff is intended to be done with the mouse and computer screen. They work together. It is not attempting to be a mouse-less environment for all Live tasks or an independent daw. If you want to slice stuff, edit waveforms, build kits and so on, use the screen and mouse. It is better for that stuff anyway.

Look at all the videos online. They are all performance videos, not construction videos. It is clear what Push is.

[humnumb]

Push is a realtime performance tool. It is not meant for construction of drum kits, synth presets, etc. That stuff is intended to be done with the mouse and computer screen.

Being a performance tool was not the focus of Push according to Ableton:

I would like to know if Push creators see it as a performance tool too.

Sure, Push has obvious uses onstage, but we focus on the creation workflow first.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=186306

[panten]

Being a performance tool was not the focus of Push according to Ableton:

Well is it just me or is that a VERY encouraging sign? Whether or not Ableton intend it, Push is looking like being an amazing performance tool.

Yur2die4: thanks man I was having a look for that exact vid this morning.

It seems that there has been an unpredictable demand for Push (hence all the threads complaining about shipping date). This is another encouraging sign for it's progression. Fingers crossed these things are high on the priority list.

[panten]

Not according to Ableton:

can you 'multi select' clips or notes and apply changes (move/reverse/quantize etc.) using Push?

No. There is no multi-select on Push, but your wish is noted.

I recall watching a video from one of those lucky fellas who received Push early where he selected multiple notes and altered their parameters. Perhaps the Q&A page is already out of date and needs an update.

[lo.key]

I don't ever recall either Live or Push being open source like true "open hardware platforms" or "open audio platforms"? Or do you mean they're "open" only for customers of Live Suite/M4L and python programmers?

well yes, an open platform is only useful if you take the time to learn how to use it, but thats a failing on your part, not a failure of the platform.

[dysanfel]

I have a APC40, Impulse 25, Electribe MX, KP3, and some other hardware synths. Making beats on the Impulse's pads is a PITA, but I love the Automap rotaries and the keys. I don't chop samples very much, but I am good at it and would do it if it were fast and fun. I usually write my melodies on a keyboard, but I mainly come from a guitar background. I find the APC is really only useful for me after a song is finished, so I am looking for a controller to speed up my workflow when creating drum tracks, bass lines, and sketching out rough song structures. I want to be able to preview patches fast and manipulate/automate them in real time (filters ect). I also want to be able to create variations of ideas fast (drum fills) after I have a vibe going. More organic and less mousing, but mostly just more productive! I own Live 9 and make dark electro/house.

Push, Maschine, Spark, or MPC Studio?

[yur2die4]

With Live 9 having just been launched, and its slight modification of Session View handling, I'd definitely suggest getting more aquatinted with the gear you already have and learning how to use it in different ways for what you do.

And buy Push because it looks fucking awesome haha

[skatr2]

I have a APC40, Impulse 25, Electribe MX, KP3, and some other hardware synths. Making beats on the Impulse's pads is a PITA, but I love the Automap rotaries and the keys. I don't chop samples very much, but I am good at it and would do it if it were fast and fun. I usually write my melodies on a keyboard, but I mainly come from a guitar background. I find the APC is really only useful for me after a song is finished, so I am looking for a controller to speed up my workflow when creating drum tracks, bass lines, and sketching out rough song structures. I want to be able to preview patches fast and manipulate/automate them in real time (filters ect). I also want to be able to create variations of ideas fast (drum fills) after I have a vibe going. More organic and less mousing, but mostly just more productive! I own Live 9 and make dark electro/house.

Push, Maschine, Spark, or MPC Studio?

Push will work the best out of all of those straight into live. What happens when you use maschine or spark is you will find conflicts between what you are doing within their own proprietary software. Maschine has improved their functionality with live dramatically, so I won't knock it. But it will still have some limitations. Have you tried Hanz Petrov's script for the APC? its super good for producing melodies and has its own step sequencer with numerous zoom features. Also there are paid scripts that offer similar function. May not even need to blow the loot on those alternatives with all that gear. I sold my APC about 6 months ago because touchable was replacing it...but parts of me wish I still had it. Especially for the scripts people made for it.

[blinkeye]

I have a APC40, Impulse 25, Electribe MX, KP3, and some other hardware synths. Making beats on the Impulse's pads is a PITA, but I love the Automap rotaries and the keys. I don't chop samples very much, but I am good at it and would do it if it were fast and fun. I usually write my melodies on a keyboard, but I mainly come from a guitar background. I find the APC is really only useful for me after a song is finished, so I am looking for a controller to speed up my workflow when creating drum tracks, bass lines, and sketching out rough song structures. I want to be able to preview patches fast and manipulate/automate them in real time (filters ect). I also want to be able to create variations of ideas fast (drum fills) after I have a vibe going. More organic and less mousing, but mostly just more productive! I own Live 9 and make dark electro/house.

Push, Maschine, Spark, or MPC Studio?

Definitely Maschine. Absolutely the best purchase I've made for music production since I started making music 10 years ago.

[Tone Deft]

Push will work the best out of all of those straight into live.

really? how long have you had one?

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