Happy with Live 9?

[Blendton]

Good point, I haven't had a single stability issue with Live 9 since release.

Live 9 has been a good upgrade so far. It sounds that most stability problems are coming from PC users, it's really strage as I didn't have a single crash or problem since I installed L9 which is pretty impressive.

I LOVE the audio to midi thing, I use it quite often when inspiration doesn't come and it produces pretty interesting results although the audio to midi drums is not as good as the 2 other algorythms.

I bought Push andafter using it for 3 weeks now it's something that I will continue to explore more and more. I've always been more of a mouse guy but Push and particularly the scale modes has changed quite the way I'm composing. I just wish you could step sequence chords and have more audio tools available. The only thing which is really not great with Push is Live 9 browser. There's no way to have some QUICK access to favorite presets and there's not enough description of sounds/Loops so you have to browser for ages in search of the sound you want. This where Maschine shines in my opinion. Live clips preview doesn't work moist of the time too, this is very annoying when you search the library.

Overall happy with L9. Re-think the browser, give us better sounds in the library ( still not on par with other packages ) and multi-screen support and I think I'd be a very happy customer

Thanks for completing missing points despite being noted when I try to being "bordeline moderator thinking" by saying for instance

"if unhappy, you MUST be new with Live, if not upgrade yourself, you have a problem not Live"

>>> I saw people who don't like that new browser. But not because it was slow. If it's slow, you even had not to think about doing tracks dudes, because if I had to teach you why you're crying and puke on Abe's shoes, I would have the same feeling I had everytime someone tried (and gave up) to understand how to copy/paste (I teach to elders and in fact have a variety of "never will be able to" friends who ask me some courses just to USE a computer or internet, when I can schedule it).

Besides, I experienced crashes. Exactly the same as in Suite 8 in fact : just asking to report a never seen crash at startup sometimes, every time I launch or relaunch Live/Suite (and since auto crash reports exists) when the last quit was made without saving nor closing the set which in every case included a specific VST (the same in all crashes ever seen with Live Suite 8 and 9).

Never saw 8 or 9 crash then. Exc eption made from a 3rd partyy plug-in behavior and no save quiting.

Reliable stuff, really. Even my fears with 64-bit and brand new Max version for it are now from the past.

[Tarekith]

Oops, another point I forgot but meant to mention. I have ONLY been using the 64bit version of Live, even during the beta. Never even had the 32bit version installed once.

[Blendton]

I concur on the stability factor. In fact; I get the impression this even goes for the Max -> Live linkup. Sometimes I try plain out bizarre and maybe stupid things in M4l, and thus had my share of self-inflicted crashes in Live 8. So far Live 9 has also been pretty good on me on that front.

But... IMO that shouldn't be too much of a surprise either. I can well imagine that Ableton didn't want to repeat the history with Live 8, and something tells me they double checked the instability aspects a 'little' bit better.

Yep, Ableton has probably "double worked" on doing solid stuff. Honestly your "self made crashes" make me curious ^^ I just gave up trying to without results, and when I was about to crash some day not saying I search for it but indeed had a bad feeling, in brief : electrorchestralstep music genre experiences = RAM crash. Can even redo it with any 64-bit setup. I mean x86-64.

(64-bit sould be aimed at real 64-bit like IA-64 systems, it never will exist in consumer's market, married to 32-bit + tricks forever unless every computhing on earth destruyed and restarting on the ex-nihilo time, when paper ruled the world and "immaterial materials" were just cuckoo's words)

[SuburbanThug]

Max for Live (6.1 based) + FULL OIC included + no bug even browsing = happy.

Reasons I'll definitely be upgrading as soon as I can afford it. I'm very impressed with 9 so far but my history with Ableton is admittedly limited. In the past I had only used it for aca pellas rewired over Reason beats and the occasional experiment. I wanted to go live though and with some experiences working with sequencing and sound design in Live 8 I knew I should just go ahead and get on with learning and writing in 9.

I will still use Reason for some sound design as I like the environment, I find it pretty creative, but I'm nearly ready to get into more experimental design using Max and I've recently become addicted to micro editing my stems in Arrangement view. I took the plunge with Push but I lucked out and it's the best purchase I've made since my first sequencer (okay maybe the new Macbook was more important, whatever.) It is tightly integrated and I'm glad I got on board right after they included session automation as I'm not sure how anyone put up with this not being available for live use in the first place. It's essential to the evolution of performing computer music and I'm happy they've added it. Won't even talk about people's bitches with the browser. Most of my design is from the bottom up and I am used to digging for the right samples when I need to.

@Blendton--> I definitely agree with Ableton that Push is an instrument. And a damn good one at that. I read a review (Sound On Sound I think) where they criticized Ableton for calling it an instrument. I don't get it. It feels and plays like an instrument as much as any keyboard and far better than any pad layout I've touched.

[Angstrom]

I'm hoping that there will be a Live 9.5 at some point, with a browser overhaul and a fix up of the midi snapping, and perhaps giving me back some of the buttons which were taken away. Currently I find that these pitfalls outweigh the benefits for me, it's like running with a stone in my shoe. No matter how hard I try to pretend, the issues pick at me insistently.

Obviously I'm aware that many people love Live 9, and would tell me "this is not even a problem, everything is great, the browser is great, everything is better than ever!", i dont doubt it is the case for certain users - but for ME personally, it's not great at all. It is in many ways worse. I can only hope there are some fixes in the pipeline. I notice they re-added "don't start recording the instant record is pressed" in a recent beta, so I'm hopeful other L8 features will come back. However many L9 features are more complex to resolve, making multiple browser columns, allowing un-neccesary categories to be hidden, allowing custom categories such as the essential " my presets", allowing folder creation, etc. That can't be a quick fix, if it is even being considered. So im not holding my breath. It's going to be a year or two, if anything ever happens on this.

That said, it seems quite stable, and the new devices sound good. But I've not really been able to use it much, as it just feels wrong, despite trying and trying and trying to use it. Its like somebody "fixed" my guitar by gluing all the stings down and then saying "what's the problem? No more fret buzz, so stop complaining"

[Blendton]

I'm hoping that there will be a Live 9.5 at some point, with a browser overhaul and a fix up of the midi snapping, and perhaps giving me back some of the buttons which were taken away. Currently I find that these pitfalls outweigh the benefits for me, it's like running with a stone in my shoe. No matter how hard I try to pretend, the issues pick at me insistently.

Obviously I'm aware that many people love Live 9, and would tell me "this is not even a problem, everything is great, the browser is great, everything is better than ever!", i dont doubt it is the case for certain users - but for ME personally, it's not great at all. It is in many ways worse. I can only hope there are some fixes in the pipeline. I notice they re-added "don't start recording the instant record is pressed" in a recent beta, so I'm hopeful other L8 features will come back. However many L9 features are more complex to resolve, making multiple browser columns, allowing un-neccesary categories to be hidden, allowing custom categories such as the essential " my presets", allowing folder creation, etc. That can't be a quick fix, if it is even being considered. So im not holding my breath. It's going to be a year or two, if anything ever happens on this.

That said, it seems quite stable, and the new devices sound good. But I've not really been able to use it much, as it just feels wrong, despite trying and trying and trying to use it.

You are just smart enough to not enter in "colors and taste" pointless debates.

Could you discover I also in theory use Cubase 6, and in 201 grade Pro-Tools theory a PT8 user too... That cost too much and since Cubase FOR ME has become bullshit, and since post-prod or everything not being "pure musical stuff" doesn't interests me I didn't even install PT8 nor Cubase since my Win8 migration. And no reason to do it again.

So I should go to write topics with all the shit I can write about Steinberg / Digidesign / AVID community ? Not even in dreams.

At first because as said : musical stuff. Why going where I'll never help someone in music making. But most important : I may dislike the two products, I never said they are bad. They indeed are good ; maybe VERY good.

But all "multi-DAW with piles of hard, soft, in a word : STUFF" ... these guys maybe are real musicians. But (and too often for my taste) some are just buyers.

This place is full of buyers. A buyer is immediatly unmasked when he begins to troll against his own product, I mean, the thing he bought. A musician never will do the same ; in my case I won't give such a honor to Steinberg by posting hiow I feel since I trashed it. For Pro-Tools it's the "too much for nothing I want to do" issue but...

Enough. The one who launched such a "topic" : "Live 9 happy or not", that guy may be just "a buyer". Not sure. Uninteresting.

Hoping you see what I mean.


Kind regards to everyone.

[Blendton]

Max for Live (6.1 based) + FULL OIC included + no bug even browsing = happy.

Reasons I'll definitely be upgrading as soon as I can afford it. I'm very impressed with 9 so far but my history with Ableton is admittedly limited. In the past I had only used it for aca pellas rewired over Reason beats and the occasional experiment. I wanted to go live though and with some experiences working with sequencing and sound design in Live 8 I knew I should just go ahead and get on with learning and writing in 9.

I will still use Reason for some sound design as I like the environment, I find it pretty creative, but I'm nearly ready to get into more experimental design using Max and I've recently become addicted to micro editing my stems in Arrangement view. I took the plunge with Push but I lucked out and it's the best purchase I've made since my first sequencer (okay maybe the new Macbook was more important, whatever.) It is tightly integrated and I'm glad I got on board right after they included session automation as I'm not sure how anyone put up with this not being available for live use in the first place. It's essential to the evolution of performing computer music and I'm happy they've added it. Won't even talk about people's bitches with the browser. Most of my design is from the bottom up and I am used to digging for the right samples when I need to.

@Blendton--> I definitely agree with Ableton that Push is an instrument. And a damn good one at that. I read a review (Sound On Sound I think) where they criticized Ableton for calling it an instrument. I don't get it. It feels and plays like an instrument as much as any keyboard and far better than any pad layout I've touched.

That, SAID ! And even being unable to pay for it, maybe by selling both Launchpad and APC40 but doesn't wanna hunt for people interested and BTW I find trading is boring, IMO, ...

I began with ignoring it, being indeed joking about such the "pushing" maketing around it made the gear deserving its name. But this "instrument" thing was becomnig hitching, because Ableton, I know them. Say... even pretty well ; BTW enough to know them as UNABLE to try viral marketing for gadget-masturbating gear.

Although many, so many, TOO many can't dissociate Live 9 (Suite) and Push, I keep that separate idea and think that Push isn't mandatory to Live 9 becoming better every update. But I'm missing something IMO.

As for today and even can say "a while" since online orders have been made impossible in my case, I want this gear. I need a keyboard since I sold my Oxygen 61. MIDI keys without aftertouch and light pressure are garbage.

I'm since my 3rd birday piano "graduated more than I wanted younger" player but as my only input tools are the two named above, I learned to "play pads".

So "YEAHHH" a 3rd option for the next "exceptional" online buy because NEEDED and helped for the deal to end by an order ^^ : the two first were a Monome 128 or 256, OR average keyboard looking at Impulse 61 / Remote SL 49 MK2 and Axiom 61 2nd gen ... now Push is coming in the poll.

But no worry to have I say all that because since the release, Push ordering reasons are everyday adding by dozens, so I'm not under your influence or whatever... I've read that SOS review.

And that, added to MusicRadar review , I must admit it, has put some weight in Push's favor on the balance.

Kind of frustrating feel for a few weeks already... GRR

[SuburbanThug]

Kind of frustrating feel for a few weeks already... GRR

It's definitely not perfect but I can't imagine going without it now that I've got it. It's going to change my writing style (mostly) for the better if I can just stop doing scale runs on the thing and pretending I'm Jimi Hendrix. It does not have multichannel aftertouch. If it had this I would say it is damn near perfect as an instrument. If I didn't have it I'd still be happily drawing notes into Live 9 because that's what I've done for years and it's worked for me but damn it feels nice to jam a bit, have a sketchpad, play expressively. All that stuff it's good at.

Initially I was just looking for a simple controller with knobs or faders to record multiple automations at once. Caught the bug I did.

[Matt_Quinn]

I am 100% on board now. I have totally come around on the single click automation points, which I hated at first. I love the Max devices as well as the new EQ8/Compressor/Gate(!). The browser still sucks really, really badly, IMO, but since I can access all my Live 8 stuff in one place, and I've just started to store all my presets/clips etc in the User library, I don't even use the browser all that much. I wish I could hide the top half of it. Session automation is neat, but ironically we got this feature right when I have been trying to stop using session for the most part. So yes, overall, very happy. I expect improvements to the browser to come in time.

[evon]

Sorry to have to burst your bubble guys. I haven't been around for quite awhile and frankly I was wondering if I clicked on the wrong address
Live didn't get this good by all this sucking up. Really I feel a little uncomfortable with all this goody goody talk. To make matters worst I haven't been able to try Live 9, but somehow I know I would find something to cuss Ableton about.

[lo.key]

there's a difference between criticism and constructive criticism dude.

[evon]

yeah..what?

[H20nly]

Its like somebody "fixed" my guitar by gluing all the stings down and then saying "what's the problem? No more fret buzz, so stop complaining"

fair point.

[lo.key]

if you go iinto things looking to cuss something out youre wasting your life.

[pepezabala]

So today I explored the mono sequencer a bit more. It's really great for making arpeggios using it over a midi clip with root notes of your song. When you automate the random-button and have it reset automatically in intervals, it's like whow, neverending variations going on.

I still find all the new recording/automation recording/new buttons confusing. There should have been an easier way to integrate session-view-automation-recording.

After lots of complaining I kind of made friends with the browser.

Glue ist rad.


Overall I think that Live is too complicated now. I did teach Live in the past, and it was fun. I guess now it's way harder to explain all the stuff that has been added over the years.