Live 5 printed manual

eegee · Post by **eegee** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:08 pm

Is the printed manual that comes with the box the exact same as the PDF in the download, or is it a shortened version?

I usually print out and bind my pdf manuals and put them on the shelf, but if the box manual is the same, maybe I'll just buy the box version.

Thanks.

eegee · Post by **eegee** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:01 am

ok, how about this - can anybody tell me how many pages the English printed manual has in it?

irishfan · Post by **irishfan** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:42 am

On Help menu of Live 5.0.1, select

Read the Live Manual...

PDF file should open up. Note there are 378 pages total counting cover and title page.

eegee · Post by **eegee** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:55 am

yeah - I want to know if this is the same amount of pages that comes in the printed manual with the box or is the printed manual a shortened version?

irishfan · Post by **irishfan** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:16 am

Ableton guys will need to confirm and answer this one...

Or, you may want to ask question to other users on different posts who've received the boxed version. Try this post

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24353

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:52 am

Sure it's the same manual! Get it or print it. Your choice...

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:02 am

Mmmm... box design....

Q) Hey Ian, what do you want to do when you grow up?

A) MMM...... Boxes.....

amo · Post by **amo** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:15 am

I believe, from the beta period (please someone correct me if I'm wrong), that the printed manual was sent to print some weeks ago, at the same time as they included the manual with the beta in PDF. Then some of us reported minor errors lying in the manual, and it was said by someone by Ableton that it was too late for the printed version (at least the first row), but that it would be corrected in the PDF version.
So, it is all very minor errors, but that is a difference between printed and PDF manuals. Otherwise they would be the same I think.
Get a printed one now ! You'll get a collector !

Cheers,
amo

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:45 am

I have the boxed upgrade, printed manual in my hand - English version. There are 288 pages.

eegee · Post by **eegee** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:16 pm

wow - and 378 in the pdf, so there must be some difference. I think I'll buy the box anyways just cause its so cool. Thanks for the info.

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:55 pm

eegee wrote:wow - and 378 in the pdf, so there must be some difference. I think I'll buy the box anyways just cause its so cool. Thanks for the info.

Hmmm... That's strange!

It might be formatted differently. Seems weird that they should make a "short" version.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:57 pm

Yes, it's just formatted differently for the PDF. The content does appear to be identical

eegee · Post by **eegee** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:12 pm

Thanks - that's what I needed to know. Reason 3's Getting started manual was included with the upgrade box, but their PDF was much more detailed. I wanted to make sure this wasnt the case before I printed out the PDF.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:17 pm

Yes, that's al;ways been the case with Reason - the printed manual is always just the getting started guide, but the PDF is the real thing (same with all Propellerhead products in fact - ReCycle and ReBirth too).

Live has always included the full manual in print, which personally I much prefer.

Also worth reading the occasional book though as well - the book Ableton Live 4 Power by Dave Hill Jr (who works for Ableton) and Chad Carrier is particularly good and a very worthwhile read. (I imagine it will be updated for version 5 before long)