agent314 wrote:It offers 4 knobs controlling velocity, tune, timing and volume randomisation. Again, thats for each drum sound of your kit. You could for instance have the bd fixed on he grid and only humanise the hats (more) and the snare (less). I was wrong in one point though. Theres also just delaying for timing, no predelay.
Interesting - and these affect the timing of MIDI information going into Battery? Or are these producing effects whenever you click and hold the pad? i.e. the way if you hold Push's pads in drum rack mode it gives you a repeat.
Didn't realize those were there - thanks much.
First assumption is right.
Citizen wrote:I was hoping that the Battery 4 update would integrate with Maschine in such a way to be able to independently effect (EQ/saturation etc) multiple layers on a single drum pad.
So - in summary - the only real advantages that Battery has over Drum Racks are the articulations/humanising functions and the actual library of sounds - which, if I upgrade to K9 or Battery 4, will browsable directly from Maschine.
I dont know about machines compatibility with battery nor have i messed with battery 4. Layering drums in battery 3 though is a piece of cake. All u have to do is make the pads with the drum sounds u'd like to layer respond to the same midi note. And yes, each sound can be processed individually with batterys fx which already covers a lot.
The thing i prefer with drum racks is that u get each instrument as an individual track in lives mixer while the midi is all in one clip. I worked with multiple instances of battery before, one track and one clip per instrument. Editing was a nightmare as u never knew where the other drum hits sat. Kind of overkill as well CPU wise. I believe theres a way to use batterys internal routing to route instruments to single tracks but i never figuered that out. Also, i never used batterys midi learn to use it with a drum controller. Thats just so much more convenient with drum racks.
Citizen wrote:
So...really the only advantage is the articulations - right? (ie. flams, snare rolls etc) 
Also, don't most (all?) 'real' sampled kits in Battery have velocity sensitve multi-samples? (To my knowledge, this cannot be done in Drum Racks - correct me if I'm wrong)
(some of the other humanisation can effectively be achieved through Grooves in Live, right?)
Battery does a lot of things by default that are hard to achieve with drum racks imo. But multi-samples are not its strong point. Resolution is too coarse. If u try to avoid, say, machine gun effect of a snare roll the jumps between the samples of battery sound unnatural. No drummer would play like this.
I believe u can deal with multi-samples in sampler which u then can drop onto a pad in a drum rack. Haven't tried this yet. I am using addictive drums for real sounding drums.
As for grooves, u have to be aware that those affect the whole clip they're applied to and cannot be set up for each instrument individually without creating extra clips.
In summary i'd say that both have their raison d'être. Both are complete instruments and have large fields of overlapping functionality. Battery is easy to use and to set up and offers most u might ever need, especially if u are straight into edm. But if u don't know where your journey is going to take you or you are between handmade and electronic styles, drum racks give you a lot more flexibility. But you'll have to invest more time for sure.
Just my 2 mao.
