mood wrote:youre fishing seth.
Hence i wouldn't know where to start ive got better things to do with my time than argue with ignorant b**tards like yourself like produce music! When i hit 65 i'll reply to this thread
and thats a promise Wink
Perhaps I am fishing, fishing for an intelligent discussion of dance music, paticularly a form of dance music that I don't really appreciate. In your original post I see myself 10 years ago dropping a dj/producers name everytime I could to see if I would get a reaction from someone, maybe a common interest in music, but I digress, if it is your intention to "take the high road" and not offer up anything more than a general opinion of your own then more power to you. I realise that not everyone is into thinking about music, it's history or place in the current.
I will say there are some people who say "trance sucks, or house sucks, or even MUSIC sucks." I am not one of these people, I just want to see how justify your opinion. That being said, I don't really care if you reply or not to this thread, as long as someone with an opinion on the matter does. People who jump to call namess without even giving a second thought to wheather they might just have "Something" to say don't really impress me in the slightest. Also I think you meant Arrogant bastard, though I am not denying the fact you could have meant ignorant.
Nuperspective Wrote:
guys - at the end of the day its house music. regardless of the fact its got progressive before it, tech before it, funky before it, deep before it, etc, etc, etc. its just house pure and simple. and from that, no one can say that house music has not been a revolution. it changed the way we dance, it changed the way we listened and changed the way we make music.
Part of my opinion is that house is not very cutting edge, or new... What has it been since the warehouse in chi-town... 15 years? True, we have had great resurgances, and some really interesting spinoffs, but once we hit mainstream we sort of lost that edge. To me (and I am not trying to badmouth europeans) I think the height of ignorance about dance music came with the big progressive/trance era. 98-2001, We had a ton of new dj's hundreds of thousands of Technique 1200's shipped all over the world, people spending sizable chunks of change on vinyl. This all created a void that was filled by "dance music artists" of little or no skill, using hooks, and gimmicks, rather than musical talent and expression. The "trance anthem" is a very good definer of this paticular moment in dance music. Later these concepts were applied to new music coming out of europe (that is a generalization, not a rule). It got to the point that you could predict the next trend in dance music 3 months before it even happened, just by listening to a few samples on a record store site.
By no means was this restricted to "house" or "trance", breakbeats, jungle, and even purist techno started to get more and more gimmicky. Thankfully it wasn't long before people forgot about Paul Van Dyke, Sasha, and Okenfold... Thanks to the Neptunes, and Nelly. It left a lot of genre's and dj/music cliques quite empty. People really just don't want to listen to the garbage we all collectivly supported over the last few years, it wasn't cool anymore to get high on c"E", and watch "go" like it was the raver's bible.
Of course there are gems in the garbage can, many artists emerged during this time that trancended the norm, in my opinion a lot of these guys made a lot of garbage, then started really learning about the music, stopped trying to make hooks and gimmicks and really furthered dance music in general. Of course I have to give some props to Monolake, I am not overly fond of his work, but I think he has done more for the amature dj turned musician than any other artist in the world. Live is accessable, immediate and real. The future is looking up for dance music, we should ditch the ignorant labels that we were assigned when we ordered our hundreds of dollars of records each month. Those labels don't define our music, they pigeonhole it for people who are too ignorant to have opinions of their own.
I think I rambled a bit, real opinions welcome.
