knotkranky wrote:It's tamed cuz Abes and the fanboys beat down the ballers. You, me and a bunch of fine users stretching live out and participating in its sideways evolution are simply tired. The changes ( i won't call them improvements other than Push ) are a boon for Abes. It is what it is. Fine, I get enough fun and music through the program regardless.
Live is still not a professional program for me. And ableton has proved time and again that they are a fanboy centric company that many professionals will use anyway. That sounds fine, but it's not a professional paradigm. If you put a VW beetle carburator on a Ferrari, it will accelerate like a VW beetle.
edit: plinkers was a harsh generalization. fixed^
You are so full of shit. What you forget, is that not everybody wants to use live the way you do. The primary reason I use live, is because i can write and mix music in the same environment that i will perform it on stage. If i didn't do that, there would be a ton of software for me to choose from. However, as it stands, there is currently NOTHING else available that will do that. Point at me and cry "fanboy" all you want, but i can assure you that i will be happy to try any product that can actually compete with live for the way I use it and if its better, i will switch right away. If it's not a professional program, please explain why 90% of electronic musicians i've seen perform in the last 5 years are using it?
There's a difference between constructive criticism of a product and saying the same bullshit over and over again -- "live isn't professional software" "the suits at ableton are intentionally fucking me to increase their bottom line" "fanboy fanboy fanboy"
face the facts, kranky, for all of its flaws, live is the only thing available that does what it does. You don't need it to do those things so just move on and use what works for you. I can't take pro tools or cubase on stage so i don't try to. and i don't go on their forums crying about how their companies are engaged in a conspiracy to ruin the experience for me because they only listen to crusty aging audio engineers who are rapidly losing relevance instead on making the kind of software that professional performing electronic musicians want to use.
there are a lot of people here that have very valid complaints about live and don't feel the need to be complete shit bags when they describe them and complain about them. You and simpliciwhatever just aren't among those.
You are so full of shit. What you forget, is that not everybody wants to use live the way you do. The primary reason I use live, is because….
Ok, first off, you're a blatant selfish hypocrite that didn't read my post at all. You saw keywords and went emotional fanboy. Btw, I regret the plinkers tag tho I'm really just a plinker on it too, but i require some serious improvements so that I may plink well!
Basically, you've said that my opinion, that I clarified was mine and only mine, is shite and yours is not. I'm fine with that distinction, but you are not. lol
If you really want to get my attention, or for those who actually read my posts, pick a point or two you don't like and lets scrap. But don't throw down a why live is great tirade when i'm using the fucking thing. C'mon man I deserve a better response that your patented retort to bitching users. Read my shit carefully. I deserve it.
I never said Live is not professional. Nope. I said it's not professional to "ME", cuz of the way i use it dude. Which by and large is not unreasonable. mkay.
Besides, Ableton doesn't have a defensible track record of fair releases n stuff. They are wholly unfair or disorganized in their practices. It's as unique as the program and a major pita. The hoop-jumping is off the hook! They deserve a swift kick in the ass while I tongue them with my wallet. Dig? Yes, they fucking deserve it. And they'll be fine no matter how rough it gets. They don't need your protection dude. But you do need to stop equivocating.
Please, Abes loves the fuck out of me with my 4 to 5 thousand dollars in Live since v1. So, lets dispense with the obvious and utterly unique attributes of live as fighting points. It's weak as fuck in helping what needs to be improved. I'm in your choir mate. If that's your argument, after your bitching about the browser, what good are you for influencing a better Live? You're not helping. You are precisely that fanboy that's in the way of progress. The browser protest is a good protest, but you won't allow it to go too far. It's simply reduced to forum banter that discourages the real experienced ballers. Not good. Not good at all.
Want to fix the browser? 50 user threads hovering on the front page for a few months from live users complaining on this very board might do wonders.
Raise hell everybody. Raise hell and change stuff. And let the experienced ballers do their thing and jump on their train people. It will benefit everybody. Cock-blocking such things means more of whatever the hell abes wants for you. Abes says they'll listen to you? Well then, be heard.