Who thinks live 9 is a rip off? anyone else?

[102455]

What a load of old rubbish (or trash if you're from the USA)...

I upgraded to Live 9. I didn't have to buy a new computer. The computer I'm typing on right now is about five years old. My laptop is even older, and still runs Live 9.

I also didn't have to uninstall Live 8. I have it installed alongside 9 and I can run either one.

Must be because you're using a Mac. Maybe you should buy a PC!

[login]

IMHO:

1.- Max4live rocks, it's the best new thing in Suite. If you had it before then of course the price is a rip off.

2.- Audio to midi is nice.

3.- New comp, eq and gate are worth it.

For the Live standard to suite 9 price it was worth. My major dissapointment was with the "new" content. Too much of varied quality. The Piano is lacking, orchestral stuff is old (maybe 6-8 years). The instrument sincluded in suite: electric, collision and tension are limited, they don't sound current. Operator is still a workhorse.

Ableton should really update or include new instruments in suite.

[XSIMan]

Live 9 standard comes with Cytomic The Glue compressor that's $100 on its own regarded as the the best bus compressor their is modelled after an SSL 4000.
Cytomic also re did the EQ Eight into an analogue EQ. So some pro plugins thrown in there before you get started on the standard DAW improvements.
Cytomic The Glue http://www.cytomic.com/glue

Curved automation.

I don't bother with Abletons instruments the third party instruments wipe the floor with live apart from Operator.

No VST 3 support which leaves Live behind the other DAWS again but I'm not sure of its importance.

The first thing you should do when you install Live 9 Standard or Suite is put the Glue Compressor onto a drum kit track and also put it on the master with a little compression right click it and enable oversampling on both. Eargasm

[nathannn]

I think live 9 is over priced compared to what you get elsewhere and as it is right now it's a rip off since it doesn't work well.
I feel like live has went from once great innovative software into something more like spyware/bloatware.
The new browser is more confusing than the old one and lags at start up. Its been said before that they should have an option to turn off indexing since it doesn't work, the send usage data feature reminds me of spyware, I also dont like how automatic updates is on by default.

[XSIMan]

I think live 9 is over priced compared to what you get elsewhere and as it is right now it's a rip off since it doesn't work well.
I feel like live has went from once great innovative software into something more like spyware/bloatware.
The new browser is more confusing than the old one and lags at start up. Its been said before that they should have an option to turn off indexing since it doesn't work, the send usage data feature reminds me of spyware, I also dont like how automatic updates is on by default.

You missed off that Live 9 takes up space on your screen.

[nathannn]

I think live 9 is over priced compared to what you get elsewhere and as it is right now it's a rip off since it doesn't work well.
I feel like live has went from once great innovative software into something more like spyware/bloatware.
The new browser is more confusing than the old one and lags at start up. Its been said before that they should have an option to turn off indexing since it doesn't work, the send usage data feature reminds me of spyware, I also dont like how automatic updates is on by default.

You missed off that Live 9 takes up space on your screen.

These are legitimate problems with the software.

[Machinesworking]

I'm sticking with 8 Suite for a long time it looks like. I don't agree that 9 is a rip off, but for what I want to do it's not worth it. There is still no elegant way to switch between multiple virtual instruments and Max for Live still is not usable if Live is in ReWire Slave mode. The browser I have to agree is a mess, and UI improvements weren't a big part of the new features.

For other users maybe these aren't big deals, but it looks like I may just use Suite 8 ReWired into Mainstage for performance, so I'm good with stable Live 8 for now.

[joeyfivecents]

I didn't buy Push and I'm not going to buy Push. 9 works just fine for me. Once I worked up enough courage to just start over and forget about Live 8, this update is actually much better for workflow. Just thought I'd be positive for once. It works great with an Oxygen 25 and APC40. The packs alone are worth the price.

[djadonis206]

If I remember correctly the upgrade to 9 was discounted about 30% for a while during the release.

It's not a rip off. There's lots of improvements and new stuff to justify the price. Stability on the other hand is another issue I'm dealing with. Either way, I'm still having fun with it.

[Machinesworking]

Stability on the other hand is another issue I'm dealing with. Either way, I'm still having fun with it.

That's what's keeping me from upgrading, when you and other people here that are honest about it say it's as solid as the last version of 8 I'll jump, or if they do a late summer 35% off promo like they do sometimes!

Mostly though it would be nice to run 9 in 64 bit for the 16GB of RAM I could use, but it is about waiting for the 64 bit version of 9 to stabilize all the way for me.

[jestermgee]

Stability on the other hand is another issue I'm dealing with. Either way, I'm still having fun with it.

That's what's keeping me from upgrading, when you and other people here that are honest about it say it's as solid as the last version of 8 I'll jump, or if they do a late summer 35% off promo like they do sometimes!

Mostly though it would be nice to run 9 in 64 bit for the 16GB of RAM I could use, but it is about waiting for the 64 bit version of 9 to stabilize all the way for me.

Live 8 is 64bit now and for me it has had only 1 crash I can remember in 12 months but the auto-save had caught my project at the time so all was good. I use some processor intensive plugins that need power and RAM and was ecstatic about the 64bit version after numerous out of memory issues. All gone!.

The only few things I really want in Live 9 is the clip automation and Glue. Interested to try the audio to midi feature but my ears work well for that so for $299 to upgrade to those features (and yes Max) is not yet worth it for me.

I'm kind of interested in Push but know full well about the way these things roll out to "Public Beta". It is funny that people complain about all these "issues" with push and wonder why there are no actual units available after the first shipments. The last thing you would want to do as a company is release thousands into the wild to discover a huge issue. Better to just piss of a few users and release a few units, get the feedback, fix the issues then get people on-board with an improved version and a better special price. My prediction is units will ship in small numbers shortly with a few underlying fixes and then fully available round Xmas along with a number of Live9 fixes.

[artpunk]

Regarding the Post subject/Question: Who thinks live 9 is a rip off? anyone else?

Not me, I upgraded from standard (with a M4L licence) to Suite and was happy with the price I paid. Also on both my 2012 MBP and my 2009 iMac its working very reliably for me. I've only had one crash on my iMac and I'm pretty sure it wasn't Live that caused it...

[Willyum]

For me, the 'Rip Off' is that I am currently a Live8 'Suite' owner, but because I do not want Max (another companies program) I would no longer be considered a 'Suite' owner if I upgrade without Max (even though I would still be licensed for every device Ableton makes).
In addition I feel L9 is still not fully complete and stable (stable in the sense that things are still changing and I won't know what to expect)... And I also do not want Ableton Indexing my drives. I LOVE the old browser, it works perfect for me. I want an 'option' to the old browser... So this would actually be a 'feature removed' for me to go to L9. I also do not want Push. None of the major feature request that I wanted are there (dual monitor split screen, time stretch in simpler/sampler... etc)

HOWEVER!... on the plus side... I have not had ANY crashes on L9 that I can remember, and since I am using a very powerful self-built windows 7 64bit PC with ALL SSD drives, L9 works very fast and smooth for me. Also most of the new features are about 80% to where they should be so I have been able to produce better music. I'll be sad when my 30 day trial is over because most of the new stuff is pretty cool (even Audio to midi works pretty decent if you set your source material up properly).

I'm overall bothered more by Abletons 'Political' direction than anything else, and that's why I have not upgraded (or in my case 'down-graded') to L9 yet. They are no longer a 'family-business... they ARE a Corporation now!

[Sibanger]

UNSTABLETON

If I could wake up and realize Live 9 was only a bad dream, and the real Live 9 was being released tomorrow ( with only 1 library & no 'cool as fuck browser' that actually is really shit & not cool as fuck at all), and was as stable as the last version of Live 8, I would be happy.

[dazzer]

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