Logic Pro X

[beats me]

Drummer is pretty wild, reminds me of the Chaos Designer in Stylus, but a lot more human feeling and useful. Being able to create your own kits certainly helps it go a long way towards getting past the rock genre it at first seems geared towards, though I'm not sure it's something I want to do everytime I need some drums "real quick".

Would be cool to see them release some newer club type sounds for it.

I'm sure they'll probably add more genres, drummers, and drum sets in the future.

I highly recommend watching the MacProVideo tutorial on Drummer if you have access. A description of what it does really doesn’t do justice to its power and flexibility. I think a lot of people are going to write it off without doing any real diving. Not saying you would do that.

One tut covers how to show it where you want a fill and with the turn of dial tell it how short and subtle or long and complex you want it to be. Mind blown.

beats...is Drummer in Logic X a closed system or can you import/use other drum samples (like from N.I. or sample packs)?

I stopped watching the tuts just before the one that was going to show how to extract MIDI out of Drummer. So I’m not sure how that works or to what extent yet.

[beats me]

NOTED: not every genre of music would benefit from a beat played by an actual drummer.

Dunno, depends on if you like drums or not. People always claim that club music is beat oriented, but I would say that's not really true, in the sense that it's the same beat every time, with not much variance at all. oonz oonz oonz etc.

Personally I think most every music at this point would benefit, simply because real humans have their own sense of timing and groove, machines have a preprogrammed sense of groove. Getting a drummer to play a simple beat, or having the space to use a live drummer is another question entirely.

Good point. If House music was born out of Disco then there is a good point for a human feel for that beat. There probably is some pro House music being released where they used an actual drummer, not just for the analogue kit sound but also for the feel and subconsciously you can tell the difference.

[stringtapper]

beats...is Drummer in Logic X a closed system or can you import/use other drum samples (like from N.I. or sample packs)?

Drummer uses the new Drum Kit Designer plugin by default but you can change to a 3rd party plug like Battery after you've loaded a Drummer track.

Alternatively there may be a way to create kits for the Drum Kit Designer using your own samples, but I'm not seeing it in the manual.

[earthloop]

beats...is Drummer in Logic X a closed system or can you import/use other drum samples (like from N.I. or sample packs)?

Drummer uses the new Drum Kit Designer plugin by default but you can change to a 3rd party plug like Battery after you've loaded a Drummer track.

Alternatively there may be a way to create kits for the Drum Kit Designer using your own samples, but I'm not seeing it in the manual.

Thanks. That, at least, makes it look flexible enough for me.

[beats me]

Honestly I think Drummer alone is worth the price. A comparable third party plug-in would cost about $200 or more.

BUT Apple once again forced me to get with/ahead of the times before I was interested.

You need to have Mountain Lion on the computer and I only had Lion. I bought Mountain Lion before but didn’t put it on my music Mac because “If it’s not broke, don’t break it”. I’m sure it’s fine now and I haven’t done it until now out of laziness. To Apple’s credit when I first went to buy Logic, it scanned my drive and wouldn’t let me purchase it because I needed to be on Mountain Lion. A pop-up informed me. It doesn’t even give you the option to proceed anyway. You just can’t buy it. Big headache saved for users and support.

Logic now only uses 64 bit plugins, another thing I couldn’t give less of a shit about until now. It scanned my plugins and disabled the plugins that aren’t 64, but after it did that I almost feel like it did me a favor because all my go to plugins are still there and the ones I stopped using years ago aren’t. It’s a lot cleaner now. I may get reminded at some point about some disabled plugin I want to use again but that will force me to upgrade to the most current version first.

[earthloop]

Honestly I think Drummer alone is worth the price. A comparable third party plug-in would cost about $200 or more.

BUT Apple once again forced me to get with/ahead of the times before I was interested.

You need to have Mountain Lion on the computer and I only had Lion. I bought Mountain Lion before but didn’t put it on my music Mac because “If it’s not broke, don’t break it”. I’m sure it’s fine now and I haven’t done it until now out of laziness. To Apple’s credit when I first went to buy Logic, it scanned my drive and wouldn’t let me purchase it because I needed to be on Mountain Lion. A pop-up informed me. It doesn’t even give you the option to proceed anyway. You just can’t buy it. Big headache saved for users and support.

Logic now only uses 64 bit plugins, another thing I couldn’t give less of a shit about until now. It scanned my plugins and disabled the plugins that aren’t 64, but after it did that I almost feel like it did me a favor because all my go to plugins are still there and the ones I stopped using years ago aren’t. It’s a lot cleaner now. I may get reminded at some point about some disabled plugin I want to use again but that will force me to upgrade to the most current version first.

Ahhh excellent points. I did notice in the original announcement (but then forgot) you needed Mountain Lion. I am still on Snow Leopard (like you said, "if it's not broke..." ) I haven't upgraded anything for a while so I have been quite happy to be lazy and wait until something ceases to work!

[Forge.]

My response was a little snippy.


The new Drummer is truly groundbreaking. I watched about half the MacProVideo tutorials on it last night and that alone is worth the price. The instructor made a couple important passing comments. When Apple brought it to him his reaction was “OK, but I like tapping out my own beats”. He’s well skilled as a finger drummer but quickly realized that he couldn’t come up with the chops and variances big and subtle that an algorithm generated by actual drummers’ playing can.

“It’s like hiring a pro drummer that most people can’t afford (or have the room to accommodate)”. Even if you could you wouldn’t be standing behind them the whole time going “No dummy, play it like this.” I think it’s kind of silly that some producers won’t even claim to be a keyboardist, cellist, bassist, or whatever sound is being emulated in their track but feel their drum programming skills are on par with a real drummer and take great pride in that. My friend takes great pride in the fact that he taps out his own beats but he essentially taps out the same beat in every song so I don’t really see where the pride is in that.

NOTED: not every genre of music would benefit from a beat played by an actual drummer.

well my mate ended up getting it and the one thing he kept going on about was the drummer, couldn't believe it

I have to say, my curiosity is peaked

trouble is, I bought 9 and then it's spent most of the time since unopened. I just don't really have much of a reason to use it most of the time, and when I do I tend to miss all the things I'm used ot in Live so I quit it... at the end of the day it won't be as quick as Live is

saying that, I'm starting a masters next week and it's project based so I will be doing a lot of tracking of vocals and guitars etc and I reckon it will help with that, but I think they use PT in the studio so again it might not be needed

see what happens I guess... but I've still got to do the Komplete 9 thing and I'm pretty keen for those west Afrcian drums

[beats me]

beats...is Drummer in Logic X a closed system or can you import/use other drum samples (like from N.I. or sample packs)?

Drummer uses the new Drum Kit Designer plugin by default but you can change to a 3rd party plug like Battery after you've loaded a Drummer track.

Just watched the tutorial on converting a drummer track to a MIDI track so you can use the performance with any plugin.

1. Highlight the Drummer tracks in the arrangement.

3. Drag that to a MIDI track.

Done.

Couldn't be any easier. What's misleading is drummer tracks don't look like MIDI tracks. They look like audio waveforms.

[Tarekith]

Yeah I thought it was odd they did that too, the audio waveform doesn't really show you anything more detailed.

[beats me]

When you are manually playing drum hits with a controller and trigger the floor tom you will also hear the vibration of the snare just like you would on a real miked drum kit.

[Tarekith]

Pretty sure I read these are actually all real recordings of performances, done with Bob Clearmountain at the desk.

[machinesfuckingoff]

Hey. Psssst. So do any of you Eno wannabees actually make a living at this shite?

[nathannn]

Hey. Psssst. So do any of you Eno wannabees actually make a living at this shite?

I seen some guys at the park today playing basketball, I should have asked them the same thing.
Now that I think about it, my grandpa paints but has never made money from it, I should bring that to his attention. I'm sure he could use an unexpected, and undeserved hit to the balls.

While I'm at it, I seen some people at the pool today swimming, I bet none of them assholes have won any medals.

[beats me]

Now I'm watching the tuts on the remote iPad app. There's a manual option on the app where whatever you mouse over on your computer the iPad will display the manual page on what that is and how it works.



I think I'm going to stay out of the Logic thread on the other forum where they seem to be all about Apple not fixing/changing past issues and couldn't be less interested in the new features.

[Tarekith]

The iPad app is mostly really well done, I find I use it more than other DAW controller apps. A bit buggy though, keep losing connection with Logic, or things like metering just don't work right.