Logic Pro X

regretfullySaid · Post by **regretfullySaid** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:32 am

Thank you for clarifying.

myrnova · Post by **myrnova** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:44 am

Machinesworking wrote:
shadx312 wrote: 2. As far as I remember VST was a very welcome addition to the plug-in scene since directx was the only standard. Of course Cubase is going to be partial to VST, they're both made by Steinberg, a german company. The only people that really stuck to AU were professional studios because of the Pro Tools standard. AU has always been a minority and this notion of americans being "anti-vst" is completely delusional.
AU is an OSX standard, RTAS and AAX are the Pro Tools formats, old and new respectively.
No true universal standard exists, but the fact is AAX is going to be in the big recording studios because Pro Tools still offers zero latency hardware that allows headphone monitoring while tracking without a delay, much needed by drummers.

Pro Tools is still "the standard" in America? Here (Europe) the standard is Nuendo.

regretfullySaid · Post by **regretfullySaid** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:25 am

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:06 am

myrnova wrote: Pro Tools is still "the standard" in America? Here (Europe) the standard is Nuendo.

That you aren't even aware of why people would use Pro Tools is obvious.
Sure, for low tech rock recordings and electronic music Nuendo will do of course, but for any huge act with real instruments it's Pro Tools.
There is no zero latency version of Nuendo, there is only low latency. Nuendo is a post production DAW, it's not set up for live recordings like Pro Tools is. You can do it, but you're going to have latency, and any huge act unless they have an anti Pro Tools stance is going to use Pro Tools.

A quick glance, oh look Abby Road Studios uses Pro Tools, not Nuendo.

Looking up "famous european recording studios" reveals Pro Tools in every hit.

myrnova · Post by **myrnova** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:32 am

Oh, and you are proud of it? Because it is an american product? Wow...

By the way, zero latency does not exist. Protools runs at about 5ms. My old Roland D50 had 7ms latency. Every current cheap audio board runs under 7-8 ms, more than enough for everything (live recordings, too). The difference in price is because of the AD/DA convertors, not because of latency.

Steve Ballmer · Post by **Steve Ballmer** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:06 am

Nuendo is also American. Microsoft secretly owns 92.3% of Steinberg.

myrnova · Post by **myrnova** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:21 am

Steinberg is japanese, though

Steve Ballmer · Post by **Steve Ballmer** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:53 am

"Japanese"

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:16 am

OMFG! There is a HUGE difference between a Roland D-50 and a 48 track recording studio.

myrnova wrote:Oh, and you are proud of it? Because it is an american product? Wow...

No I'm laughing at you because you're talking out of your ass.
Big name European studios use Pro Tools, Nuendo is not the standard.
And in true form you get all bigoted and ethnic when you have nothing!

By the way, zero latency does not exist. Protools runs at about 5ms. My old Roland D50 had 7ms latency. Every current cheap audio board runs under 7-8 ms, more than enough for everything (live recordings, too). The difference in price is because of the AD/DA convertors, not because of latency.

The PCI DSP audio cards in an HD setup are cutting the latency down by simply doing the work the computer normally does. It's much better than any software based native solution like Nuendo period. The reason this matters is because live, real instrument rock bands like to record at the same time, and big studios can isolate them and feed them headphone mixes of the rest of the group. The roundtrip latency on this sort of setup with even a nice audio card like RME and Nuendo is far greater than Pro Tools can offer. Again you don't know, because you haven't experienced it, and honestly the people that really really cannot handle the latency induced by a native setup are drummers.

Input monitoring is a decent solution, but not for a big name studio. "No you cannot hear that plug in on your track because....."

regretfullySaid · Post by **regretfullySaid** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:22 am

I've noticed sometimes myrnova's grammar gets near perfect, it's almost as if it ws a different person...

myrnova wrote:Oh, and you are proud of it? Because it is an american product? Wow...
By the way, zero latency does not exist. Protools runs at about 5ms. My old Roland D50 had 7ms latency. Every current cheap audio board runs under 7-8 ms, more than enough for everything (live recordings, too). The difference in price is because of the AD/DA convertors, not because of latency.

myrnova · Post by **myrnova** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:50 pm

wow, wow, wow, machinesnotworking explaining the secrets of protools to us!

"big studios"...

I'm all ears...

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:38 pm

myrnova wrote:wow, wow, wow, machinesnotworking explaining the secrets of protools to us!
"big studios"... I'm all ears...

You have nothing, zero, zip, zilch. You're all ego, anger and irrational sentiment.
Congratulations in attempting to make another thread about you.

Logic pro X is a great bargain, for Mac users.
If you use PC, not so much. Much Like Sonar is a bargain for PC users.

Pro Tools offers things other DAWs do not, dedicated hardware does make a difference.
The reported latency on an HDX Pro Tools System is 0.7 ms. VS 7-8 ms for your consumer cards, hmmm? which would a big studio use?

earthloop · Post by **earthloop** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:11 pm

myrnova wrote:wow, wow, wow, machinesnotworking explaining the secrets of protools to us!
"big studios"... I'm all ears...

Mate, I don't want to disrespect you in any way, but there IS a reason most professional studios use Protools as their primary recording medium. Read the brief history of Pro Tools via the link below (it is a short read...just one page) as it describes the process which lead to the widespread industry adoption of Pro Tools.

The other reason is that because of this first reason, virtually all professional recording engineers, if they wanted to work in pro studios, had to learn to use it. Thus, it came to pass that most schools/ audio engineering training institutes taught Pro Tools. THIS is why it became ubiquitous (taught and used everywhere) and became known as 'the industry standard'. Please read and also google other links...easy!

http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/ ... ols-452963

Steve Ballmer · Post by **Steve Ballmer** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:16 pm

^ Standard is standard because is standard. It's for the same reason that people speak English in England. Really it is. I'm not taking the piss.

earthloop · Post by **earthloop** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:17 pm

Now can we resume normal programming...any more user experience with Logic X which may stop me from going back to Pro Tools? (now that I have PT on my mind) Like I said before, it is rediculous that I have 3 major DAW pgms which all need upgrading (not to mention actually learning to use them properly)

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