PUSH in arrangement mode...

[Raul G]

Now, I'm no computer scientist so I don't quite understand how this can be made possible... but what in the world is going on with PUSH not being fully functional is arrangement view?

I started using Ableton in version 8 and was hooked from day 1. I just recently purchased Ableton Live 9 Suite with the PUSH controller simply from what I saw in the videos, and the whole "Scales" thing really got me in there... But damn. If it's one thing that has always confused me about Ableton was session view. Now, with PUSH, I'm being forced to use Ableton in a way that... well... Confuses me and completely assassinates my workflow.

Are there any plans to make this Ableton controller fully functional in arrangement view? If Yes, when? If no... What is the Return Policy for this controller at Guitar Center? It was purchased 2 days ago.

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Now, I'm no computer scientist so I don't quite understand how this can be made possible... but what in the world is going on with PUSH not being fully functional is arrangement view?

I started using Ableton in version 8 and was hooked from day 1. I just recently purchased Ableton Live 9 Suite with the PUSH controller simply from what I saw in the videos, and the whole "Scales" thing really got me in there... But damn. If it's one thing that has always confused me about Ableton was session view. Now, with PUSH, I'm being forced to use Ableton in a way that... well... Confuses me and completely assassinates my workflow.

Are there any plans to make this Ableton controller fully functional in arrangement view? If Yes, when? If no... What is the Return Policy for this controller at Guitar Center? It was purchased 2 days ago.

Well it seems Ableton intend this workflow for PUSH:

1.- Create clips with PUSH.
2.- Once you have a tons of clips with all your parts, record in to arrengement by launching clips in the desired order.
3.- Mix/edit/automate stuff in arrengement.

I don't think any improvement to Push workflow in arrengement will come soon. It's just not intended for that.

[panten]

I'm not sure what's so confusing about Session View to be honest, Just think of it as a non-linear sketchpad for your loop ideas.

I do agree with you though that it's slightly frustrating that there's almost zero control over arrangement view.

FWIW there is some (basic) functions for arrangement view if you get PXT-Live from NativeKONTROL. I was helping Stray Beta test these scripts and was requesting more control over arrangement view. As far as I remember the Live API is pretty thin on the ground in terms of what you can do in this view, which is a real shame. So I think that if we are to get a decent workflow it'll have to come from Ableton.

What kind of control would you like to see in Arrangement view using Push?

Personally I'd like:

• Select/Cut/Copy/Paste/Duplicate/Consolidate/Splitting Clips
• Adjusting start/length of clips
• Scrubbing of playhead position
• Nudging clips along timeline.
• adding/removing locators
• adjusting loop/in/out
• backtoArrangement control per track as well as a global bta.
• Ability to scroll/zoom view horizontally/vertically
• expand/collapse selected track.

This is a very basic list and I'm sure there's a ton more but would be great if Push had this by default.

[Raul G]

Totally killed my inspiration.

[panten]

Just curious. Did you know what you were getting into when you bought Push? As you said previously you work primarily in Arrangement view but what exactly IS your workflow.

Perhaps it's time to try something new and embrace what makes the session view so brilliant i.e. being a non-linear framework where you can try out different combinations of patterns.

Push does an amazing job of encouraging this with the benefit of giving you the 'duplicate' and 'New' buttons which essentially CAPTURES the clips you have currently playing into a new scene. Just go crazy, create as many scenes/clips as you can. This process can get messy but that's all good, then...

Install nativeKontrol's free Push mod script which allows you to activate Arrangement record from Push and record all your Session view button mashing to the Arrangement page in real time, then...

Hop to Arrangement view and do your mouse editing, the way you're used to.

Seize this opportunity to break your old habits and embrace something new, you never know where it could take you.
If you discover you're an old dog that can't learn new tricks you could always sell it on. There are hundreds who do want it

all the best.

[Tarekith]

I'm someone who almost never uses Session view unless I'm playing live with errr.... Live, 99% of the time I'm in arrange view. With Push, you just forget that part of the program until later in the process. Get your rough ideas down in session, even a basic arrangement with scenes can be done from the hardware.

Then, when you're past the point where it makes sense to use Push anymore, just select all clips in session view, hit TAB, and then drop them in arrange. Now you're almost done and can just do things like fills and arrangement tweaks to wrap up. If you want to use Push for those, just render the song, drag it to session view on a new scene, and go back to jamming on Push.

Easy enough to go back and forth from there.

[Valiumdupeuple]

Personally I'd like:

Select/Cut/Copy/Paste/Duplicate/Consolidate/Splitting Clips
Adjusting start/length of clips
Scrubbing of playhead position
Nudging clips along timeline.
adding/removing locators
adjusting loop/in/out
backtoArrangement control per track as well as a global bta.
Ability to scroll/zoom view horizontally/vertically
expand/collapse selected track.

This is a very basic list and I'm sure there's a ton more but would be great if Push had this by default.

It's time to go on with m4l guys...
I don't have Push but I do all of these things (except the per track BTA) with Maschine as a controller + m4L.
But, some of the things that you've listed are easily doable only with midi mapping : start/lenght of clips, locators, loop in/out.

[Mixed-Nutts]

I saw a great YouTube video of A fella showing how to easily set up start/end points using the encoders while in user mode. Works almost identical to maschine. Sorry I can't find it ATM.

[panten]

Mixed-Nutt I think I know the one you mean.

This is related to resizing clips in the Arrangement view however. I think that vid was about the guy trying to find a Push based workflow that is similar to Maschine/MPC style sample chopping.

[Valiumdupeuple]

I saw a great YouTube video of A fella showing how to easily set up start/end points using the encoders while in user mode. Works almost identical to maschine. Sorry I can't find it ATM.

Just midi map those parameters to any clip, and your encoders will then work on the selected clip, not only the one you used for the mapping...
also works on transpose, volume, loop on/off/points...

[panten]

Guys, look at the topic. I'm talking about Arrangement view and the ability to resize clips in the timeline.

This also goes for all of the suggestions in my previous post.

[Valiumdupeuple]

I'm talking about Arrangement view Panten.

[panten]

I just figured out some basic functions using Default Push + PXT-Live.

If you turn 'Loop' to OFF in the clip, You can alter the End Point and it updates the size of the clip in Arr view. Using PXT-Live I can navigate the clips using either the Rew/Ffw encoder or the up/down/left/right arrows to move the Arrangement Insert Marker. Sweet.

Haven't figured out how to affect the start point to update the Arr View or to affect the position yet. i.e. it's Insert Position on the timeline. Not sure it's actually possible with Live in it's current form.