One man's Feature is another man's Bug?

[BadddSpellah]

Hi! Longtime lurker, brand-new poster.

I've been a huge fan of Live since v3 and felt I really hit my stride in terms of workflow with 4 and started looking towards 5's new features with eager anticipation. Now that I've actually got my hands on it I'm loving the big new features but finding the little UI changes irksome. Its like I came home and someone rearranged all the furniture so I keep stubbing my toe where I used to walk freely.

These have already been touched upon many times but I really miss the following moving from 4 to 5. I've searched the forums for some rationales and/or solutions to the changes but have not dug up anything 100% satisfying.

1. CTRL+SPACE to play from original cursor position
I find it bothersome that, clicking around within a clip moves the play head in the arrange view. I so instincively hit CTRL+SPACE to hear my clip tweaking that I'm constantly jarred by not being able to hear the full clip from the beginning or at least where I left the cursor in the arrange view.

But I've read arguments on both sides of the fence. Apparently the new scheme with the markers is better? Fans of the new transport methodology, why does it rock so hard for you? And how do you use it to its full advantage?

2. ALT+CLICK piano roll audition
Boy oh boy I miss this. Not being a piano player, the ALT+CLICK piano roll audition was great for sussing out my scales. I especially liked building MIDI sequences from a few notes by SHIFT+CLICK and dragging them around. Having to use the audition toggle for my methodology makes for a cacaphonous process as all notes trigger under the MIDI note I'm dragging around!

I've read people assigning the toggle to a keypress but that seems super clunky to me. Why couldn't there be options for both styles of note auditioning?

3. CTRL+J on MIDI clips to consolidate and automatically loop
I couldn't find anything on this change searching the forums. It used to be that selecting a bunch of MIDI clips and hitting CTRL+J would join them and set them to loop so one could then quickly extend that phrase and build quick arrangements. Now CTRL+J on a MIDI clip (even if it was set to loop already) makes it a one-shot clip. Was this an oversight? After all Live's strength is loop-based music-making. Has this functionality moved to a key command I've not yet found?

[amo]

3. CTRL+J on MIDI clips to consolidate and automatically loop
I couldn't find anything on this change searching the forums. It used to be that selecting a bunch of MIDI clips and hitting CTRL+J would join them and set them to loop so one could then quickly extend that phrase and build quick arrangements. Now CTRL+J on a MIDI clip (even if it was set to loop already) makes it a one-shot clip. Was this an oversight? After all Live's strength is loop-based music-making. Has this functionality moved to a key command I've not yet found?

Hi,
Isn't it relate to the default clip settings in the preferences, i.e. default loop on ?
Cheers,
amo

PS: not to worry, but this would get better response in the general forum I think.

[peeddrroo]

3. CTRL+J on MIDI clips to consolidate and automatically loop
I couldn't find anything on this change searching the forums. It used to be that selecting a bunch of MIDI clips and hitting CTRL+J would join them and set them to loop so one could then quickly extend that phrase and build quick arrangements. Now CTRL+J on a MIDI clip (even if it was set to loop already) makes it a one-shot clip. Was this an oversight? After all Live's strength is loop-based music-making. Has this functionality moved to a key command I've not yet found?

Hi,
Isn't it relate to the default clip settings in the preferences, i.e. default loop on ?
Cheers,
amo

PS: not to worry, but this would get better response in the general forum I think.

no, it isn't related with default properties.

i raised this issue during beta testing and i had an official answer saying that there were lots of different uses for consolidating. so i'd say that yes a bug for someone can be a feature for others, but i agree with you: consolidating a looped clip shouldn't unloop it.

for your first point, i guess it's a matter of getting used to the new transport behaviour. i personnaly quite like it.
maybe you should try something with locators: use it as a temporary playhead that you can move around. you can assign a keyboard letter to it, it helps a lot.

[BadddSpellah]

Hi,
Isn't it relate to the default clip settings in the preferences, i.e. default loop on ?

Hi! Thanks for the prompt reply.
I went looking, but unless I'm not seeing something, I don't think its there.

PS: not to worry, but this would get better response in the general forum I think.

Oh.

[BadddSpellah]

i raised this issue during beta testing and i had an official answer saying that there were lots of different uses for consolidating. so i'd say that yes a bug for someone can be a feature for others, but i agree with you: consolidating a looped clip shouldn't unloop it.

for your first point, i guess it's a matter of getting used to the new transport behaviour. i personnaly quite like it.
maybe you should try something with locators: use it as a temporary playhead that you can move around. you can assign a keyboard letter to it, it helps a lot.

Hmm. Will try that.

[wood0292]

1. CTRL+SPACE to play from original cursor position
I find it bothersome that, clicking around within a clip moves the play head in the arrange view. I so instincively hit CTRL+SPACE to hear my clip tweaking that I'm constantly jarred by not being able to hear the full clip from the beginning or at least where I left the cursor in the arrange view.

But I've read arguments on both sides of the fence. Apparently the new scheme with the markers is better? Fans of the new transport methodology, why does it rock so hard for you? And how do you use it to its full advantage?

Sorry to bring up such an old post, but in doing a search this is all I could find on the topic....

I find this behavior annoying as well. Is there any way to turn it off (make this behave like Live 4)? It gets rather annoying having to go select the clip above in Arrangement View any time I have edited it to make sure it starts from the beginning when I hit CTRL+Space. I don't understand how this was an improvement as well, and I see nobody has addressed these questions by the original poster. Anyone?

Are there other threads that I am not finding in my search regarding this topic?