Why Dont You People Spread The NEW MESSAGE!!!
...well "guest" I see you cant bear to reveal your identity...the marines seem to have done a good job of kicking their own asses with all that friendly fire and a goodly number of civilians too..as for the jubilant crowds, they seem to have consisted of about 150 people, at least some of whom were flown in especially for the occasion by the US for the statue photo opportunity, where were the other 1 odd million inhabitnats in Baghdad? check out:
http://www.uk.indymedia.org/front.php3? ... up=webcast
If the US is so keen on attacking oppressive regieme perahps they could bomb themselves....look at the hugely disproportionate number of black people in prison in the US thanks to three strikes and your out for instance...
http://www.uk.indymedia.org/front.php3? ... up=webcast
If the US is so keen on attacking oppressive regieme perahps they could bomb themselves....look at the hugely disproportionate number of black people in prison in the US thanks to three strikes and your out for instance...
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dirtystudios
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wow...creepy link.
einstein said 'the fate of the world will be that which the world deserves'.
there may have been good reasons for past or even present wars, but there is no reason whatsoever for any war in the future. maybe someday humans will realize that war sucks enough to work on ways to avoid it in the future instead of preparing for it because we were dwelling on the past. maybe someday humans will realize that they are humans, and not americans or iraqi's or russians or germans. goddamn humans, all of us...without exception. we're all people, and there's no reason for any of this nonsense.
tiny little planet amidst light years of stuff we haven't seen, and all we seem to do is look down and squabble over imaginary lines in the dirt. fuck all that, i want off.
k
einstein said 'the fate of the world will be that which the world deserves'.
there may have been good reasons for past or even present wars, but there is no reason whatsoever for any war in the future. maybe someday humans will realize that war sucks enough to work on ways to avoid it in the future instead of preparing for it because we were dwelling on the past. maybe someday humans will realize that they are humans, and not americans or iraqi's or russians or germans. goddamn humans, all of us...without exception. we're all people, and there's no reason for any of this nonsense.
tiny little planet amidst light years of stuff we haven't seen, and all we seem to do is look down and squabble over imaginary lines in the dirt. fuck all that, i want off.
k
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Credo unplugged
It seems, there is much to say but little to add in this issue.
Generaly: Face it, we humans are not really as full of love, tolerance, humility as we sometimes claim. Its problematic to cope with such a world. Its hard to love God and your neighbur as yourself when others take advantage of the fact that you do try.
However, why dont we start doing just that?! You, who read this, and I.
Lets be Humble, loving, tolerant. Whatever the price. Its easter week right now. We are celebrating a man who payed the highest price thinkable for this to happen in our world.
Credo
Generaly: Face it, we humans are not really as full of love, tolerance, humility as we sometimes claim. Its problematic to cope with such a world. Its hard to love God and your neighbur as yourself when others take advantage of the fact that you do try.
However, why dont we start doing just that?! You, who read this, and I.
Lets be Humble, loving, tolerant. Whatever the price. Its easter week right now. We are celebrating a man who payed the highest price thinkable for this to happen in our world.
Credo
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simplemedia
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I am so tired of these brainwashed people saying the war was good bacause of this or that reason. look at the big picture will you. The bush
crime family changed their reasons for this war almost weekly depending on what the polling data said. At first it was the violation of un resolutions,
then wmd,then to free the iraqi people. of course this war was about oil,you'dhave to be a moron think otherwise. There were alot of other reason as well. Like to futher the us empire as the us sees fit. The us didn't
give a damn about the iraqi people until after sept.11. They had the perfect
opportunity cause of the fear factor and paraniod state of the american citizens. why not??? if you don't understand something just kill it that will solve your problem right. There's people behind the scene that are pushing buttons that the 19th century Fox/cnn/ would tell you about.
Why is it that things that happened in the past no longer relevant. people in favor of this war never want to talk about the past. Is it because there
are things they rather not talk about.
My real problem is all the resources we spend as a society to fight a war
but we can't find the political will to spend those resources to help people in this country. Millions of people with no health care, rising unemployment
Deficits piled to the sky,AIDS the primary killer of african american 18-35
i could go on and on.
crime family changed their reasons for this war almost weekly depending on what the polling data said. At first it was the violation of un resolutions,
then wmd,then to free the iraqi people. of course this war was about oil,you'dhave to be a moron think otherwise. There were alot of other reason as well. Like to futher the us empire as the us sees fit. The us didn't
give a damn about the iraqi people until after sept.11. They had the perfect
opportunity cause of the fear factor and paraniod state of the american citizens. why not??? if you don't understand something just kill it that will solve your problem right. There's people behind the scene that are pushing buttons that the 19th century Fox/cnn/ would tell you about.
Why is it that things that happened in the past no longer relevant. people in favor of this war never want to talk about the past. Is it because there
are things they rather not talk about.
My real problem is all the resources we spend as a society to fight a war
but we can't find the political will to spend those resources to help people in this country. Millions of people with no health care, rising unemployment
Deficits piled to the sky,AIDS the primary killer of african american 18-35
i could go on and on.
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simplemedia
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I am so tired of these brainwashed people saying the war was good bacause of this or that reason. look at the big picture will you. The bush
crime family changed their reasons for this war almost weekly depending on what the polling data said. At first it was the violation of un resolutions,
then wmd,then to free the iraqi people. of course this war was about oil,you'dhave to be a moron think otherwise. There were alot of other reason as well. Like to futher the us empire as the us sees fit. The us didn't
give a damn about the iraqi people until after sept.11. They had the perfect
opportunity cause of the fear factor and paraniod state of the american citizens. why not??? if you don't understand something just kill it that will solve your problem right. There's people behind the scene that are pushing buttons that the 19th century Fox/cnn/ would tell you about.
Why is it that things that happened in the past no longer relevant. people in favor of this war never want to talk about the past. Is it because there
are things they rather not talk about.
My real problem is all the resources we spend as a society to fight a war
but we can't find the political will to spend those resources to help people in this country. Millions of people with no health care, rising unemployment
Deficits piled to the sky,AIDS the primary killer of african american 18-35
i could go on and on.
crime family changed their reasons for this war almost weekly depending on what the polling data said. At first it was the violation of un resolutions,
then wmd,then to free the iraqi people. of course this war was about oil,you'dhave to be a moron think otherwise. There were alot of other reason as well. Like to futher the us empire as the us sees fit. The us didn't
give a damn about the iraqi people until after sept.11. They had the perfect
opportunity cause of the fear factor and paraniod state of the american citizens. why not??? if you don't understand something just kill it that will solve your problem right. There's people behind the scene that are pushing buttons that the 19th century Fox/cnn/ would tell you about.
Why is it that things that happened in the past no longer relevant. people in favor of this war never want to talk about the past. Is it because there
are things they rather not talk about.
My real problem is all the resources we spend as a society to fight a war
but we can't find the political will to spend those resources to help people in this country. Millions of people with no health care, rising unemployment
Deficits piled to the sky,AIDS the primary killer of african american 18-35
i could go on and on.
Here's the real questions
Here are the real questions:
Did the Americans identify the problem's source?
Did the Americans identify the proper solution?
Are the Americans ready to accept other people's way of living.
I am an American that lives in Canada and I have gotten a chance to see how other people live happily I might add.
As far as I'm concerned God Bless the Dixie Chicks! and that's the closest this thread has gotten to the whole concept of music.
How about this one:I wonder if George Bush can synch Live with Cubase. Does Georgy have ASIO drivers installed on his Laptop?
MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC guys!
Did the Americans identify the problem's source?
Did the Americans identify the proper solution?
Are the Americans ready to accept other people's way of living.
I am an American that lives in Canada and I have gotten a chance to see how other people live happily I might add.
As far as I'm concerned God Bless the Dixie Chicks! and that's the closest this thread has gotten to the whole concept of music.
How about this one:I wonder if George Bush can synch Live with Cubase. Does Georgy have ASIO drivers installed on his Laptop?
MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC guys!
Wuh ?!
I can't believe I'm taking the energy to type this, but...
I THOUGHT THIS WAS A MUSIC FORUM !?!?!?!?!? Jeeze, I spent 14 years in the Army (yes, the U.S. one) but even I can tell the difference between "hey, why are all my plugins F'd up" and "this...is CNN"
This shit won't happen when I've got my own country to run, let me tell you!
I THOUGHT THIS WAS A MUSIC FORUM !?!?!?!?!? Jeeze, I spent 14 years in the Army (yes, the U.S. one) but even I can tell the difference between "hey, why are all my plugins F'd up" and "this...is CNN"
This shit won't happen when I've got my own country to run, let me tell you!
To all those guest Pro War posters with no apparent name or identity,
Sieg Heil.
Justify it all you want but you are Wrong. This year Heroin Production in Afghanistan is the highest for 10 years. Liberation in action.
George Galloway was right America and Britain acted like savaging wolves. In Britain the public are still and growingly so, sceptical of Tony Blair. We know hes been Knobled its just many of us cant quite contemplate that its possible to brain wash a country like Britains leader. Where there smoke theres fire.
Maybe the distrust of democracys is on someones agenda ?
The nazis thought they were so right and it wasnt until the advantage of hindsight was at hand did the persons who made the industrial mechanism work and function realised what was actually happening. Its happening again and once again it will fail. What you give out you get back.
Look carefully choose wisely
Heres one we done earlier : Afgahanistan
By the way 80 billion is a drop in the ocean compared to revenue profits available from Iraqi trade in the next 10 years never mind the increased development budgets and expenditure of national and NOW International security.....
keep your wits sharp and youre belief in the powers of good strong
Sieg Heil.
Justify it all you want but you are Wrong. This year Heroin Production in Afghanistan is the highest for 10 years. Liberation in action.
George Galloway was right America and Britain acted like savaging wolves. In Britain the public are still and growingly so, sceptical of Tony Blair. We know hes been Knobled its just many of us cant quite contemplate that its possible to brain wash a country like Britains leader. Where there smoke theres fire.
Maybe the distrust of democracys is on someones agenda ?
The nazis thought they were so right and it wasnt until the advantage of hindsight was at hand did the persons who made the industrial mechanism work and function realised what was actually happening. Its happening again and once again it will fail. What you give out you get back.
Look carefully choose wisely
Heres one we done earlier : Afgahanistan
By the way 80 billion is a drop in the ocean compared to revenue profits available from Iraqi trade in the next 10 years never mind the increased development budgets and expenditure of national and NOW International security.....
keep your wits sharp and youre belief in the powers of good strong
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Re: Conspiricay Theories
Unfortunately some people on this planet are pre-disposed to re-create harmfull patterns created in their formative years. A pyschologist would have an intresting time speaking to our spooky guest who apprently has no identity. Very shadowy personality indeed.Kevin B wrote:Our "New Guest" although admitting that this is not the forum for this type of discussion has insisted on driving his opinion home. Its not like he is going to change anyone's views especially when we come to this site for information about making music with the software we so admire, that being of course Live (we love you abelton!).
I am glad Alex decided to take his discussion off the site. The back and forth banter could have gone on for days as it is obvious our New friend on the forum is commited to accusing people with an opinion as AntiAmerican and as of being only influenced by conspiracy theories, when Alex made no reference to any conspiracy theory that I know of.
Basically, I feel I had to say something in defense from this forum bully who refuses to even identify himself with at least a made up handle.
Pacifism and Peace is the only way we as a technologically submerged society can continue to exist. Taking a stance as a pacifist superpower is the only way to insure a positive message is sent to the rest of the world.
Conitnuing with any type of killing is nonesense and with a quick introduction to Logic principles you will find the falicy in most every offical policy the world powers take toward one another. A small group of government officials have a dispute and the average man is convince to give his life to protect the governments interests. This is the status quo people. Whether a brutal regime or a capitalist democracy.
I can't do this anymore. My brain is tired. Bye.
One last thing, conspiracy theories faclitate the need for extreme speculation into the operations of those in power. These theories are indeed based in fact as they use a fact to spring board off into speculation. This type of suspicion is a necesary function for a society that is run not by physical manipulation but rather by mental manipulation and influence. Think about it. Without extreme speculation we may never find the passion enough to stand up and investigate the wrongs that are commited on a daily basis, and the true plans those in power have for the world. See: www.pnac.org - The Project for a New American Century is the world's future. Check it out and identify the logic and rhetoric.
You're misguided New, Join the Left of us and do some good, use your powers of reason to make this world better. Go back to school.
Kevin Bleich
[email protected]
818-800-0630
bring it on
Lets hope that as ever- other forces intervene and direct this person towards insight and understanding rather than fear and hatred. The world has enough terrorists as it is. We need Healers not fighters.
Wake up and smell the coffee!
I can't believe how uninformed some of you are. Grab a cup of coffee and prepare for a REALITY CHECK! I could go on for days since there is soooo much bad shit going on under our noses. Here's a quick off the cuff list:
- Bush is a crime family!
- Bush did not win by popular vote! He was SELECTED by the gov!!!
- The 6 trillion dollar / year black market is run by the US gov through fear in the form of media propaganda.
-The cocaine, etc. being sold by the CIA is laundered through government owned establishments that inflate the stock market at a 1/1 ratio. That means drug money IS big business!
-The gov shipped drugs back in the bodies of dead soldiers.
-Gov is big biz! at an global scale!
- Great daddy bush worked for the Nazis.
- The US HIRED the nazi think tanks into the US gov. They are still there!
- The US is heading for imperial rule and global dominance.
- They have a plan to run the world by 2020. (look up vision 2020 on google for starters)
The bush fam basically believes they ARE the superior race. This justifies global domination, mass killings, hiring & training the 'enemy', rich vs. poor, planetary pollution
Noam Chomsky recent mentioned that the US never attacks a country unless it a no fail situation where the country has no defenses.
This leads to mass armament of the planet! Another arms race.
Your tax dollars are now going to building more nukes!
Even the Pope thinks the US is out of line.
The US has a plan for when the world is full of hatred of them and it starts RIGHT HERE AT HOME BY TAKING AWAY YOUR RIGHTS!
sorry... but sometimes I wish I could jump off of this SHIP OF FOOLS! But even if I lived on the oposite side of the world from the US I would still be in harms way.... Nuclear fallout will kill everything larger that a cockroach.
tune into to KPFA or go online and listen:
http://www.kpfa.org
FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE!
They are the ONLY news source that ISN'T run by big biz. The sister station in NY was shut down before 9/11.....
Please BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!! TURN OFF THE TV AND WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!
- Bush is a crime family!
- Bush did not win by popular vote! He was SELECTED by the gov!!!
- The 6 trillion dollar / year black market is run by the US gov through fear in the form of media propaganda.
-The cocaine, etc. being sold by the CIA is laundered through government owned establishments that inflate the stock market at a 1/1 ratio. That means drug money IS big business!
-The gov shipped drugs back in the bodies of dead soldiers.
-Gov is big biz! at an global scale!
- Great daddy bush worked for the Nazis.
- The US HIRED the nazi think tanks into the US gov. They are still there!
- The US is heading for imperial rule and global dominance.
- They have a plan to run the world by 2020. (look up vision 2020 on google for starters)
The bush fam basically believes they ARE the superior race. This justifies global domination, mass killings, hiring & training the 'enemy', rich vs. poor, planetary pollution
Noam Chomsky recent mentioned that the US never attacks a country unless it a no fail situation where the country has no defenses.
This leads to mass armament of the planet! Another arms race.
Your tax dollars are now going to building more nukes!
Even the Pope thinks the US is out of line.
The US has a plan for when the world is full of hatred of them and it starts RIGHT HERE AT HOME BY TAKING AWAY YOUR RIGHTS!
sorry... but sometimes I wish I could jump off of this SHIP OF FOOLS! But even if I lived on the oposite side of the world from the US I would still be in harms way.... Nuclear fallout will kill everything larger that a cockroach.
tune into to KPFA or go online and listen:
http://www.kpfa.org
FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE!
They are the ONLY news source that ISN'T run by big biz. The sister station in NY was shut down before 9/11.....
Please BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!! TURN OFF THE TV AND WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!
The world is sound.