Musicians no longer socially relevant?

[myrnova]

As i wrote above:



that is funny, because I was banned after ST (a "nihilist" calling italians "mario") and LSZ (a racist) asked the moderator (american) to ban me (an anarchist, antifascist, antiracist). so called U.S.A. "paradox" (or should I call it "Angloamerican"?)

As you can see, I am right. And mooney, too, of course (in America they call him "a racist" )

[rote fahne]

As i wrote above:



that is funny, because I was banned after ST (a "nihilist" calling italians "mario") and LSZ (a racist) asked the moderator (american) to ban me (an anarchist, antifascist, antiracist). so called U.S.A. "paradox" (or should I call it "Angloamerican"?)

As you can see, I am right. And mooney, too, of course (in America they call him "a racist" )

right in what?

[crofter]

As i wrote above:



that is funny, because I was banned after ST (a "nihilist" calling italians "mario") and LSZ (a racist) asked the moderator (american) to ban me (an anarchist, antifascist, antiracist). so called U.S.A. "paradox" (or should I call it "Angloamerican"?)

As you can see, I am right. And mooney, too, of course

Let's hope you're right again.

[rote fahne]

while crofter is having a beer.

[myrnova]

right in what?

I am right regarding the situation: when 9 people out of 10 are americans, and the moderator, too... the one bamned is always the 1% (not american), no matter of the fact he is right.

The paradox is in the "ban" of 9V (anarchist, antiracist and antifascist) "because he called obama a nigger" ( ). The same happens in America, where they call Mooney "a racist"

The day I will be eventually banned again, it is just the proof I am right about american arrogance and "white supremacy" ideology in U.S.A.

The pathetic thing about you is that you are not even american

[rote fahne]

right in what?

I am right regarding the fact when 9 people out of 10 are americans, and the moderator, too... the one bamned is always the 1% (not american), no matter of the fact he is right.

The paradox is in the "ban" of 9V (anarchist, antiracist and antifascist) "because he called obama a nigger" ( ). The same in America, where the call Mooney "a racist"

The day I will be eventually banned again, it is just the proof I am right about american arrogance and "white supremacy" ideology in U.S.A.

The pathetic thing about you is that you are not even american

i surely believe that you are an anti racist and anti fascist, no doubt about it. but you are a compulsive twister too, so as long as the moderator has not published an official statement about the how and why of the banning of 9v, it is just all speculation for me.

or do you want to accuse the moderator of racism too? sounds like you do.

[rote fahne]

right in what?

I am right regarding the situation: when 9 people out of 10 are americans, and the moderator, too... the one bamned is always the 1% (not american), no matter of the fact he is right.

The paradox is in the "ban" of 9V (anarchist, antiracist and antifascist) "because he called obama a nigger" ( ). The same happens in America, where they call Mooney "a racist"

The day I will be eventually banned again, it is just the proof I am right about american arrogance and "white supremacy" ideology in U.S.A.

The pathetic thing about you is that you are not even american

the mr green envy emoticon.

im rote fahne, and thats all, the rest is projecting generalisations on specifics.

[earthloop]

notice how myrnova is now pointing at others. but none of them used the derogatory racial slur you're trying to wriggle away from.


@ earthloop - it's par for the course in The Lounge these days... all threads will start off as threads do and then myrnova will find a way to inject xenophobic comments into them and/or funken will turn them into a soapbox about Marxism

since this thread was started on the topic of social relevancy, i dare say that, at least this time... we have not strayed too far from the original topic.

Much as I respect you H20nly...I have to say that I can't find anything relevant to the 'Social Relevance of Musicians' in the recent posts in this thread.

[andydes]

Much as I respect you H20nly...I have to say that I can't find anything relevant to the 'Social Relevance of Musicians' in the recent posts in this thread.

I would have been interested in the topic too, but it was doomed from the opening post.

I've wondered if it's partly because the more "underground" music these days tends to be the music with no (or few) lyrics. The alternative side of pop has included, reggae, punk, grunge etc. but with techno, dubstep, or whatever the kids are into these days, how much room is there for a message?

That's no excuse for hip hop getting shitter though.

[beats me]

I’m not entirely blaming you or myrnova. If anything I blame the other people who engage more. “You’re ruining this forum!” There’s nothing stopping them from ignoring people they feel are ruining the forum or starting or participating in other topics.

Here’s 2 recent topics that got completely ignored

viewtopic.php?f=40&t=198922

viewtopic.php?f=40&t=198786

There’s other topics that have gotten ignored but I posted those because until recently they probably would have gotten responded to if people weren’t instead burning a lot of calories slinging the same mud over and over in political threads.

I don’t even care if my topics get ignored. I just see once active members on all sorts of topics coming on here to participate in the ongoing political battles in the top threads and then calling it a day. There’s also plenty of regulars that just said fuck it and left and I’m sure at least part of it is because of the heavy political slant that has become all-consuming on here.

So to that end, no we really don’t need more political topics. By all means start more, but it certainly isn’t lacking.

Don't blame people posting on one thread for nobody bothering to reply to another. I personally answer lots of OPs first, usually people asking questions about Live. There are a million Live users who could have responded to those two threads. Are you telling me nobody could post on them because I was talking to Ballmer on some thread he started?

As for people not posing in the forum at all because of a 'heavy political slant' that is utter nonsense. All they have to do is ignore those threads.

Tell me, where is this 'heavy political slant'? There are 50 threads on the first page of the lounge. I count about 4 political ones. Two genuine, started by Finn, one by John Gordon and one by Ballmer. Personally I am only ever on about 3 threads at a time. I am currently participating in one political thread, which had pretty much fizzled out now anyway. But there are plenty of other Live users besides me. About 2 million in fact. What about them? What about the other 46 threads, just on the first page? In what way does me replying to Ballmer in one thread stop the other 1,999,999 Live users posting on the other threads?

I’m going to go and walk my own talk and stay out of the rest of this thread, but as a parting gift I’ll just point to the posts that took place in this thread between this post and the last post I made as evidence that when certain people jump into a conversation it quickly goes downhill and other members don’t appreciate it.

If you want to continue to take note I suggest monitoring how long this derailed turd stays at the top of the main page. Hell, don’t even read in order. Just click any page, blindly scroll down, and read whatever you stop on. You have a 1 in 10 chance it will be relevant to what your original topic is about.

[myrnova]

Much as I respect you H20nly...I have to say that I can't find anything relevant to the 'Social Relevance of Musicians' in the recent posts in this thread.

I would have been interested in the topic too, but it was doomed from the opening post.

I've wondered if it's partly because the more "underground" music these days tends to be the music with no (or few) lyrics. The alternative side of pop has included, reggae, punk, grunge etc. but with techno, dubstep, or whatever the kids are into these days, how much room is there for a message?

That's no excuse for hip hop getting shitter though.

Underground music is still "political", expecially not american indie rock and hip hop. Techno and dubstep are dance music, so the lyrics are irrilevant. They are "by definition" leftish. Regarding the mainstream... I don't know, here "american mainstream music" is kety perry, cirus myley, justin beaber... all this trash (in Italy we call this kind of crap "americanate"). I doubt they are aware of the fact they are just puppets for U.S. war propaganda around the world, with all the american flags in their videos and such. Lady Gaga? I know she is pro gay rights, but I don't think american teenagers listen to lady gaga because of her political views. I like an american band called "the system of a down", but I don't think they are mainstream. Those ones are more serious.

[regretfullySaid]

SOAD have had some mainstream moments. Besides heavy radio and video airplay in the past they still have a strong and passionate american following. They can be a considered a badge by their fans to show their political viewpoint.

[rote fahne]

In the the old days they wrote songs like 16 tons or Imagine. Now, they write about bling and hoes.

Musicians used to be interested in social and political movements. On here they call things they don't like 'gay' and think it makes them cool. Any attempt at serious discussion on here is simply ridiculed and reduced to farce by most of the few people who comment. These trolls call the few genuine people on here trolls, like the Nazis called the Jews and communist names before rounding them up.

Judging by this forum, 'musicians' no longer have anything socially relevant to say.

I would welcome debate with people of any views, but there is no debate on here. Name-calling is the only thing offered. It's pathetic. People should be ashamed of themselves. I am ashamed of this forum.

dont judge by this forum, i would say.

then before you put that question, you have checked all the current musicscenes, you are sure there is not such a thing as social activism in music anymore?

[rote fahne]

so this twat wants to tell us we are not allowed to pm the mod for having banned him?

Oi, don't call my mate a twat, dickhead!

was just an objective observation.

[myrnova]

viewtopic.php?p=1322971#p1322971

There it is ya fuckin' liar.

I wrote:

Obama is considered "a socialist" by conservative americans When he was elected USA media said "this is america, folk: a miracle! even a nigger can become the president: as you can see, this is a real democracy" haha Then on TV he had to say: hey, people! i am not white, but this does not mean i am muslim, or worst an atheist! i am christian, i love the bible, god bless america" haha

Now, this for you is "callin Obama a nigger"?!

Wow! haha Then ban Paul Mooney, too

I don't think he understands English, Myra. He's American you know.

It's funny that the moderator banned me for this, isn't it? And guess who called him? Strappy (the nihilist who calls italians "mario"), LSZ (a texan racist) and Rote Fahne (a troll)... U.S.A. "the land of free speech" paradox...