What scalers to use, and how?

nemoy · Post by **nemoy** » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:32 pm

I was never really into those auto-scale midi effects, but now,
when i perform live, i just run out of Hands to play instruments.

So i'm trying to setup a few arpeggios, that play scales,
which are either defined by what i play on a keyboard, or
by presets, wich i can define earlier and then trigger via midi.

So far I have tried schwarzonator II, but that was really buggy,
and i don't think there's a live 9 version of it?

So what other Plugins or combo of plugins should I use here?
what do you use? what do you recomend and why?

Cheers!

saulosneto · Post by **saulosneto** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:50 am

you have a midi channel with a synthesizer.. so, insert arpeggiator, and after arpeggiator insert scale (both live built-in) and... play! you can insert live chord before arpeggiator for a "plus", try this

TomViolenz · Post by **TomViolenz** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:33 am

I'm not sure that's what he means (but if it is, then yeah simple Arpeggios in scale should be done this ways)
If you are talking about complicated (or not) patterns that you can change with a button/knob I would look at Sugar Bytes Thesys or Numerology(Mac only). I've only heard good things said about either of them. (I don't use them myself though)

nemoy · Post by **nemoy** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:33 pm

well, yess.. these things i figured out so far...
What i'm looking for is probably more of a chord bank,
that can store a certain amount of predefined chords and
that can be triggered via midi to switch from
one predefined chord to another...

I'll have a look at thesis & numerology!
Thanks for the hint!!

TomViolenz · Post by **TomViolenz** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:29 am

nemoy wrote:well, yess.. these things i figured out so far...
What i'm looking for is probably more of a chord bank,
that can store a certain amount of predefined chords and
that can be triggered via midi to switch from
one predefined chord to another...

I'll have a look at thesis & numerology!
Thanks for the hint!!

But for this Live has everything you need. You have the Arp, the Chord and the Scale device. And you have Midi Effects racks where you can make different chains containing your "presets". To change between them you simply assign the chain selector to a Macro and or Midi knob.

Numerology and co, would be MUCH more advanced than this (just the choice of expressions you can enter for each note is crazy already and there is sooo much more!!!)
But the way you describe what you want in your last post, Live already has everything you need.

TomViolenz · Post by **TomViolenz** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:47 am

BUT:
If you want to choose the preset via Midi (Not just scroll through them), then I'm not so sure how to achieve that in Live alone. (Maybe someone else here knows more?!)
Numerology for instance lets you set up a Launchpad to select your preset via pads.

nemoy · Post by **nemoy** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:25 am

Actually, i could use an effect rack with several
different Scale & Arpegiator combos inside and change
chords, patterns and everything with the chain selector via midi...

But that'll make an effect rack with a midi effect chain
for every single chord I need during a concert...

i'll still check out the other pluhins!

TomViolenz · Post by **TomViolenz** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:09 am

nemoy wrote:Actually, i could use an effect rack with several
different Scale & Arpegiator combos inside and change
chords, patterns and everything with the chain selector via midi...

But that'll make an effect rack with a midi effect chain
for every single chord I need during a concert...

i'll still check out the other pluhins!

I don't see the problem. The Midi devices in Live use almost no CPU!

nemoy · Post by **nemoy** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:46 am

i know... but it will take a while to set up!

TomViolenz · Post by **TomViolenz** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:55 am

nemoy wrote:i know... but it will take a while to set up!

I don't think this would take more work with the Live devices, than it would take with a plug in.

david.barker · Post by **david.barker** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:16 pm

I use the Schwartzonator without any issues

I cannot play keys,but this M4L device does help,lol

nemoy · Post by **nemoy** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:32 pm

I tried schwarzonator for hours; but i couldnt create new chords.
They just never appeared in the list. And i couldnt delete the ones in there
by default.

also had a lot of crashes during those few hours...
so: "No Sir, i dont like it!" in a horse voice

login · Post by **login** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:40 pm

Try this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVBux1CNyN8

(yeah it seems like a joke but it actually works)

Brock · Post by **Brock** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:59 pm

Also, the Covert Operators have a nice video on Advanced Arpeggiator Programming Techniques that might help you here...

http://vimeo.com/733632

You could build in a MIDI clip any scale/chord/arpeggio pattern you can think of then trigger the changes as desired, all playable over the key range you set it to. Just a thought anyways....

HTH

- Brock

fishmonkey · Post by **fishmonkey** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:34 am

you might wanna check this out too:

http://www.xferrecords.com/products/cthulhu

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