Midi program change (for external hardware)

[kineticUk]

There are probably more people than ableton think who could use the full midi features that live 5 doesnt yet support.For anyone who doesnt really understand what can be done creatively if NRPN Sysex etc is supported then maybe you have not used as much of the hardware midi devices like drum machines and synths effects with other complex midi sequencers eg Cubase.
All these more complex external/software devices have parameters attached to controls which at the moment live cannot recognise.Filters envelopes can all be automated and the actual movements can be recorded with your midi performance and then played back edited.
Yes Live is brilliant to use as it is so hands on anyway thats why we all use it and to be able to create seperate clips all with your own automation recorded is what we all want cause then we dont have to use anything else.
Cubase or other similar full midi sequencers allow you to shape the sounds being generated by the instruments alot using midi and live doesn't yet support alot of devices.

Please see my post in the feature wishlist (FULL NRPN SUPPORT) if you also use automation Sysex midi features so we can get ableton to fully integrate live with our studios.

Thanks

[leisuremuffin]

it's not that i'm entirely ignorant to whats possible there, (and by the way, why would you need NRPN for filter cutoff control? thats just a CC on most synths) it's just that i'm not working with hardware that needs that anymore.

Hardware i still use on a regular basis:

ob matrix 1000 - I have an old imac that only runs unisyn to edit and save patches for it. I can set it up so i can automate what i want with, mod wheel, after touch, and other cc's. no problem doing that stuff in live after its set up. Excited that there is an osx editor in the works. (kinda buggy right now)

SH101 - Well, no midi support there anyway. I used to have a kenton pro one midi / CV for it, but lent it to someone who.... oh nevermind, thats another story.

mpc2000 - still love it, still use it, but only need midi clock to use it.


got rid of ALL of my hardware samplers and all of my rom-plers since computers have made them obsolete IMO.

the only other hardware i'd really like at this point are modular synthesizers..




anyway, i'm just saying, i'm not a total idiot when it comes to hardware, i'm just not in a position where "advanced" MIDI makes any sense to me. Fuck, when i was doing that, it only took a few layers of automation to bog down midi to the point of uselessnes anyway.


I can understand the plight of the person who posted this. I imagine they probably have a multi timbral rom-pler kind of thing with about a million patches that they want to choose by name from live's screen. I get it, i'm just happy that i don't have to do that shit anymore.


Fuck better midi implementation, its not 1980 anymore, lets move on to something like OSC and better software instruments....




.lm.

[hambone1]

So what is the best way to implement a patch change in 5?

I've just been triggering MIDI clips that have the program change embedded in it to change patches in Arkaos VJ.

Is there a better way?

[leisuremuffin]

well, its the only way at the moment.


.lm.

[hambone1]

Hi lm

It works for me. I've got patch changes assigned to clips triggered from the Ozonic or built into the sequence.

Push a button, change a patch.

No probs here!

[leisuremuffin]

Live is a toy, go back to using a pro daw like cubase. Midi support is primitive and laughable.

Ok, but your first post on this forum was:

Ableton is one awsome company. Much better then Steinberg. I'll never touch Cubase with a ten foot pole again

Maybe you found a 15 foot pole to use?

just fuckin with ya, hommes.

.lm.

[darcyb]

leisuremuffin, good points. If my laptop wasn't 900MHz, I'd probably get more into softsynths. But for now, my Roland XP-60 along with sound loops are the only sound sources I got.

I think I'll just get in the habit of recording MIDI, doing what I need to do to modify it and make the tone generator do its thing, then dump it to audio. That way I can skip the whole bank/program changing nonsense altogether.

Or, since the GM bank has a good array of patches, and program changes work relatively well, I can just stick to that bank and have a good time.