MIDI Controllers... the final solution...

serotoninsteve · Post by **serotoninsteve** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:51 pm

I have a bitstream pro (the old model) wich I like a lot, short faders (40mm) wich really rock for DJ use, build like a tank (19" aluminium) but cheap hard plastik buttons, no usb connection and powering.

In their forum they stated that I´ll not disapointed by the new 3X quality, especialy the buttons.

I think it´s well worth it´s money and fully configurable, sequence record, joystick and a sort of d-beam controller.
Who offers the same for this money?

Greetings

Living_Fiction · Post by **Living_Fiction** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:27 pm

I'll order one when I get paid.

computo · Post by **computo** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:35 pm

One word.

LEMUR

www.cycling74.com

Metrocide · Post by **Metrocide** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:44 pm

I use the M-Audio O2 midi-controller and find it very adequate for the job. Althought I wish I had waited on getting the O2 because the M-Audio Ozonic (firewire audio/midi) synth/midi-controller is helluva better!

But...to each their own. If I was doing more dj'ish stuff I would get a faderfox and the x-session.

Living_Fiction · Post by **Living_Fiction** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:04 pm

Holy friggin...That Lemur controller is sick! I just wish I had $2495 for it...I might save up (Kind of crazy, I know!)

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:50 pm

isnt it OSC only?

Live doesn't do that yet

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:53 pm

I continue to be amazed at the flexibility of the Ozonic. I just figured out how to use all 20 banks of presets. More knobs, faders, & switches than I know what to do with!

Just wish it was a bit more robust. Kinda cheap and plasticky, but pretty useful to have loads of MIDI control, 4 24-bit audio ins and outs, a MIDI interface, power, and a keyboard all going down a single Firewire cable.

supster · Post by **supster** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:21 pm

lemur:

- looks amazing

but

- Live doesnt support OSC - so unless theres an elegant translator available, it wont work

- for 2500 bucks, that thing had better work as advertised, and had better be reliable.
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Livewire · Post by **Livewire** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:28 pm

yea the lemur looks really promising. itll solve almost all of our problems. they just need to make it thinner, cheaper, and with a bigger (maybe 20 inch) screen.

ableton really needs to add native OSC support to live.

after the lemur is probably the mawzer. still too expensive though.

Living_Fiction · Post by **Living_Fiction** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:00 am

I would personally like to see Ableton Live itself, become Touch Screen. PCDJ did it, and I must say, it's pretty much the future for DJing on computers. Especially if you have a Tablet Notebook. With those you can lay them down flat, and simply touch down on it like a Koass Pad.

Komplex · Post by **Komplex** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:08 am

Living_Fiction wrote:I would personally like to see Ableton Live itself, become Touch Screen. PCDJ did it, and I must say, it's pretty much the future for DJing on computers. Especially if you have a Tablet Notebook. With those you can lay them down flat, and simply touch down on it like a Koass Pad.

yes.

Livewire · Post by **Livewire** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:55 am

but that wont help when you have effects in different tracks that you wana tweak at the same time. the lemur is the answer i believe. just add osc support.

there is a way of routing the OSC signals from the lemur to live using max/msp, but that program is way too complicated for me and makes me stress out so i didnt even bother learning. i got too used to the perfect simplicity of live.

Living_Fiction · Post by **Living_Fiction** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:00 am

That is just it...Ableton Live needs to be re-thought. The interface could always use improvement. Or they could simply make a window dedicated simply to effects X-Y axis. Anything a touch pad can do, Ableton Live itself could. You would just simply need to the ability to configure the screen how you wish. I would also change the knobs to small vertical faders so it would be alot better for a touch screen.

supster · Post by **supster** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:18 am

Living_Fiction wrote:That is just it...Ableton Live needs to be re-thought. The interface could always use improvement. Or they could simply make a window dedicated simply to effects X-Y axis. Anything a touch pad can do, Ableton Live itself could. You would just simply need to the ability to configure the screen how you wish. I would also change the knobs to small vertical faders so it would be alot better for a touch screen.

i think you're definitely onto something here. using live as a touchscreen would be perfect ..

they would definitely need to fully support both traditional control and touchscreen though, and that would take some doing. it might take the form of having a switchable interface:

one for live performance and one for DAW ...something that solves a lot of the issues we're having right now perfectly and opens itself up for the touchscreen.

imo the simplicity of the interface and operation is both the greatest strength of this program and in some cases its greatest weakness, its hard to keep it simple and intuitive and at the same time allow it to be flexible enough to handle every situation, or add needed features ...

so switching to different modes, and switchable features (off and on in preferences) fixes that. whatever the case ableton really needs to think ahead on some of these things ... as far as control technologies (OSC etc) ...

... its only going to be a couple of years, and this market is going to be huge .. geeks like us are pioneers, that wont be the case in the future ..
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Komplex · Post by **Komplex** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:41 am

Touchscreen and already implemented midi control would be ideal.

If you have stuff that needs dedicated controls for tweakability and hands on jamming you can build a midibox to your specifications and control it.

Touchscreen for everything else, quick and direct control of parametres that you don't use all the time. Also, if the laptop was flat on the table, the screen wouldn't be a barrier between the player and the crowd.