Where is "Analogue Filter"?

[misterhops]

Ha - oy. Again, as I said earlier, when I said "analog" i was talking about the name of a specific effect that I saw someone using in video tutorial online with a specific sound I had been looking for. I've had Live 9 for two weeks and I'm already deeply in love with it.

Thanks everyone for these helpful tips. Looks like I have quite a bit to play with.

No the Auto Filter can absolutely function without the "auto" part. Map the cutoff frequency of the default low pass setting to a knob and you've got your DJ sweep.

Or am I missing something?

surprised this discussion is still rolling when this is the answer. auto filter is a full multimode filter within live. it doesn't try to be "analog" that i know of, but what does that even mean in this case? when you load up auto filter by default (no preset), the envelope, beat sync and LFO should all be off, leaving you free to modify the resonance and cutoff as you wish (either by midi-mapping it, dragging yer mouse, or using something like a push or an APC40 that maps to device parameters).

really, this should be super easy. has lp/bp/hp settings as well. live is meant to be deeper than traktor, so things aren't QUITE as simple, but the functionality is there.

I'll have to look at it more when I get home, but how do you load up the Auto Filter without a preset? That's probably the silver bullet I'm looking for. If I can get rid of envelope, beat sync, and LFO that should give me what I want.

[TomViolenz]

If you want an actual analogue filter, get a vintage external effect, a hardware synth that allows external routing or a software effect that specialises in analog emulations.

Ableton is digital software and proud of it. The two analogue emulation effects (Amp and Analog) are the two worst devices in my opinion. They were never top of the line from day one and analog reproductions tend to age horribly.

Get your own hardware/software if you must get into that whole analogue craze but please don't ruin the sleek, streamlined workflow of Live with bloat for the rest of us.

Are you responding to my post?
I think I made it quite clear that this has nothing to do with a craze, why do you keep harping on on that, did you not understand what I wrote? Frankly your post reads like you don't really know what you are talking about!
But I guess subtle frequency band specific saturation, instead of digital clipping is just something for us Analog Hipsters, right?!

[TomViolenz]

Ha - oy. Again, as I said earlier, when I said "analog" i was talking about the name of a specific effect that I saw someone using in video tutorial online with a specific sound I had been looking for. I've had Live 9 for two weeks and I'm already deeply in love with it.

Thanks everyone for these helpful tips. Looks like I have quite a bit to play with.

No the Auto Filter can absolutely function without the "auto" part. Map the cutoff frequency of the default low pass setting to a knob and you've got your DJ sweep.

Or am I missing something?

surprised this discussion is still rolling when this is the answer. auto filter is a full multimode filter within live. it doesn't try to be "analog" that i know of, but what does that even mean in this case? when you load up auto filter by default (no preset), the envelope, beat sync and LFO should all be off, leaving you free to modify the resonance and cutoff as you wish (either by midi-mapping it, dragging yer mouse, or using something like a push or an APC40 that maps to device parameters).

really, this should be super easy. has lp/bp/hp settings as well. live is meant to be deeper than traktor, so things aren't QUITE as simple, but the functionality is there.

I'll have to look at it more when I get home, but how do you load up the Auto Filter without a preset? That's probably the silver bullet I'm looking for. If I can get rid of envelope, beat sync, and LFO that should give me what I want.

Browser/Categories/Audio Effects/Auto Filter/drag to track/done
The default is exactly what you ask for.

Why don't you dive into the manual and in-build lessons, they should make a lot of things a lot clearer to you.

[misterhops]

Hmmm, see I did that, and my sweeps were still automatic. The only thing I was able to customize was the shape of my sweep. I'll dig deeper.

I've actually done quite a bit of the tutorials, along with dubspots 3030 ableton course. This kinda stuff is in the details though. I'll figure it out. I'll stop bothering everyone with my novice requests.

[stringtapper]

Hmmm, see I did that, and my sweeps were still automatic. The only thing I was able to customize was the shape of my sweep. I'll dig deeper.

"shape of my sweep"?

We're talking about the Auto Filter audio effect right?

The main control in its GUI (the "ball") is for the cutoff/center frequency and the Q. You can adjust the onset envelope and there's an LFO. Then there's the Quantize Beat section but that is definitely off by default and has been since at least Live 2.

Your "DJ filter" basically *is* the default setting: low pass filter. The cutoff frequency mapped to a knob is the main control you need to make your sweep (also done dragging the "ball" horizontally with the mouse).

[misterhops]

Yup. I need to map my rotary to the frequency knob. Or map the auto filter frequency to a macro knob in my effects rack. Figured it out.

Please forgive my broken music terms / language. I'm still very new to all of this.

[Matt_Quinn]

^ Good call.

Did they also make improvements to EQ3 with Live 9? I can't recall.

I don't think so, at least nothing that was trumpeted about. EQ8 got tons of upgrades but EQ3 is pretty simple by design, and does what people wanted it to do (act like a simple DJ mixer EQ).

[lvehon]

Edit: Slow to answer.

[BoddAH]

If you want an actual analogue filter, get a vintage external effect, a hardware synth that allows external routing or a software effect that specialises in analog emulations.

Ableton is digital software and proud of it. The two analogue emulation effects (Amp and Analog) are the two worst devices in my opinion. They were never top of the line from day one and analog reproductions tend to age horribly.

Get your own hardware/software if you must get into that whole analogue craze but please don't ruin the sleek, streamlined workflow of Live with bloat for the rest of us.

Are you responding to my post?
I think I made it quite clear that this has nothing to do with a craze, why do you keep harping on on that, did you not understand what I wrote? Frankly your post reads like you don't really know what you are talking about!
But I guess subtle frequency band specific saturation, instead of digital clipping is just something for us Analog Hipsters, right?!

If all you need is a DJ effect for some sweet filter sweeps or for removing some frequencies Auto Filter and EQ Three should have you covered. In fact, EQ Three is specifically designed as a "live" DJ device and the way Auto Filter is laid out makes it pretty obvious that it is also meant for live use (in addition to just being a straightforward and quick all-purpose filter).

I admit I'm not exactly sure what you want. If you dread "digital clipping" I'd suggest not clipping your tracks for a start. Put a Limiter in there if you have trouble managing the levels. A Limiter or The Glue with soft clip enabled should get rid of the digital clipping no matter how much resonance and drive you put on your filter. In any case, if you're not controlling your levels you clipping your tracks is not Ableton's fault and has nothing to do with the fact that the device isn't "analogue" enough.

If you want your filter sweeps to have a warmer analogue tone and some subtle distortion I suggest creating an Effects Rack with an Overdrive or Dynamic Tube effect or, indeed, getting a VST plugin modelled specifically after an analogue filter.

Generally the stock devices of any DAW are as transparent as possible and I don't know of any DAW in which the default devices are modelled after some analogue stuff.

[misterhops]

Yeah, everything you need is there. It's just a matter of manipulating little things to get what you want. It's not as cut and dry as basic DJ software. Which is a good thing.

[TomViolenz]

If you want an actual analogue filter, get a vintage external effect, a hardware synth that allows external routing or a software effect that specialises in analog emulations.

Ableton is digital software and proud of it. The two analogue emulation effects (Amp and Analog) are the two worst devices in my opinion. They were never top of the line from day one and analog reproductions tend to age horribly.

Get your own hardware/software if you must get into that whole analogue craze but please don't ruin the sleek, streamlined workflow of Live with bloat for the rest of us.

Are you responding to my post?
I think I made it quite clear that this has nothing to do with a craze, why do you keep harping on on that, did you not understand what I wrote? Frankly your post reads like you don't really know what you are talking about!
But I guess subtle frequency band specific saturation, instead of digital clipping is just something for us Analog Hipsters, right?!

If all you need is a DJ effect for some sweet filter sweeps or for removing some frequencies Auto Filter and EQ Three should have you covered. In fact, EQ Three is specifically designed as a "live" DJ device and the way Auto Filter is laid out makes it pretty obvious that it is also meant for live use (in addition to just being a straightforward and quick all-purpose filter).

I admit I'm not exactly sure what you want. If you dread "digital clipping" I'd suggest not clipping your tracks for a start. Put a Limiter in there if you have trouble managing the levels. A Limiter or The Glue with soft clip enabled should get rid of the digital clipping no matter how much resonance and drive you put on your filter. In any case, if you're not controlling your levels you clipping your tracks is not Ableton's fault and has nothing to do with the fact that the device isn't "analogue" enough.

If you want your filter sweeps to have a warmer analogue tone and some subtle distortion I suggest creating an Effects Rack with an Overdrive or Dynamic Tube effect or, indeed, getting a VST plugin modelled specifically after an analogue filter.

Generally the stock devices of any DAW are as transparent as possible and I don't know of any DAW in which the
default devices are modelled after some analogue stuff.

Thank you for your expert advice, but why don't you try reading the thread first that you are responding in? Then you would know that I wasn't the guy asking for the DJ effect, that the OP did indeed not really require anything analog and was just a little confused, that someone claimed EQ8 to have analog models, that I said that it doesn't and finally that my use case, that you know nothing about (but thanks for telling me to use Live correctly ) relies pretty heavily on the EQ being analog and that I found a great plug-in that does that very well, but is expensive!
Reading: -it educates, try it sometimes!
(...best before going off on a rant belitteling users that don't like clipping EQs, as falling for the "analog craze")

[Sage]

Pretty sure if your getting clipping when using analogue equipment, it won't be because of the filters. It is hardly uncommon for analogue synths to have resonating filters that produce sine waves and do so without additional harmonics.

But if people enjoy overloading effects, get some old 70's guitar pedals and run line level signals through them. Most sound like shit to be honest.

[TomViolenz]

Pretty sure if your getting clipping when using analogue equipment, it won't be because of the filters. It is hardly uncommon for analogue synths to have resonating filters that produce sine waves and do so without additional harmonics.

But if people enjoy overloading effects, get some old 70's guitar pedals and run line level signals through them. Most sound like shit to be honest.

I thought shortly about going the hardware route, but I'm not willing to give up the convenience of software. Mostly being able to have one on each track.
But software models are quite good, so I have my eyes set on Equilibrium, which is (one of?) the best EQ(s) on the market anyways. (though a little pricy)
But X-Mas is just around the corner, and I don't have a present for myself yet