Suite+push or suite+maschine mkII

[beatz01]

Why not Maschine MKII and a Launchpad (with the 95 script) ? Best of both worlds.

[Fritz609]

@beatz... That means 599 for maschine plus 159 for launchpad and 799 for ableton. more expensive than push and suite. I already went to GC to purchase Push and I bought standard instead. Im also in process of building home so i can upgrade later.

[thunderkyss]

Why not Maschine MKII and a Launchpad (with the 95 script) ? Best of both worlds.

That's what I was thinking. I had got Maschine about a month ago, but because of work hadn't really had a chance to mess with it. Decided to get a launchpad to play instruments other than guitar.

Then I decided to go ahead & get Push. It just came in today.

What little bit I've played with Maschine, I got's to say I like it. I doubt I'll be making the switch to Live Standard, much less Suite, but I'll give it a go for a week or so & see what's what.

The biggest gripe I've heard from Maschine users (on NI's forum) is that Maschine doesn't have a song mode, audio tracks, or a way to have a one bar pattern play once alongside a 4 bar pattern (I believe that was a problem in Live back in the day).

But looking at the LaunchPad95 script, that would probably satisfy my needs as well as Push would.

[deva]

Why not Maschine MKII and a Launchpad (with the 95 script) ? Best of both worlds.

That leaves one huge gaping hole... the Launchpad is not velocity sensitive... so even purchasing both, you still need a real keyboard if you want to equal the 64 note velocity and aftertouch sensitive pads... you know, a real midi controller.

[TomViolenz]

I really like the Launchpad, I have one, I think everyone should have one (in time), but I think it is a poor substitute for the full integration of Push! No screen, no knobs, no vel sensitivity, not all the additional buttons on Push that make the work so integrated and smooth, etc.....

But what I would suggest to consider (although this would also not be within the budget of the OP, but maybe for the future?), is the Maschine Micro in addition to Push.
While I would never suggest getting the Micro instead of the MKII, if he was to go Maschine all the way, in this case it gives you a lot of bang for your buck!
You get all the samples, all the instruments, the great pads and a decent way to control Maschine. Or maybe even cheaper/better: get a used MKI and get the 2.0 update to Maschines software from NI for 99 bucks.

But when I read someone mentioning that having a Nocturn with STC and the Launchpad with Launchpad95, would be almost the same as getting Push, I always think, here is someone that tries to rationalize not being able to afford Push. (And in this case, this would be a good alternative!)

[TomViolenz]

Here's a radical idea for playing melodies and chords...

As clever as ever

[Fritz609]

Funny you mentioned the mikro as that was on my radar for a later investment. The drums, the pads, and massive is worth the 350 itself. Are the mk1 pads as good as mikro pads?( just a quick question. I dont want to jack my own thread with an off topic question.)lol

[Fritz609]

Maybe i should sell the mpc2500 and get a full maschine setup since i will no longer need it. Hmmmm. And buy komplete since i went the ableton standard route. If i get enough for the MPC

[TomViolenz]

Funny you mentioned the mikro as that was on my radar for a later investment. The drums, the pads, and massive is worth the 350 itself. Are the mk1 pads as good as mikro pads?( just a quick question. I dont want to jack my own thread with an off topic question.)lol

At the time they were among the best, but the MKII (or Micro) ones are better.
Also: NI does sales a lot more often than Ableton, so you may be able to pick the Micro up cheaper, if you are a little patient.

[TomViolenz]

Maybe i should sell the mpc2500 and get a full maschine setup since i will no longer need it. Hmmmm. And buy komplete since i went the ableton standard route. If i get enough for the MPC

I think with Maschine the mpc2500 would be mostly redundent from what I read (never used one though). So this seems sensible to me.

[Sternenlicht]

I went the route: Push + Arturia Spark.

Arturia Spark for the Drum Sounds, Push for Step Sequencing Melodies, this works very good so far.
Also the Step Sequencer on the Spark is fun to work with. You get the Workflow for Programming a Drum Machine + Push Work flow for the Melodies. Also the Spark has a Loop mode, and you could shift between the patterns with a divider, and Loop Position Knob, this was a good idea.

In Arturias Spark, a Pattern length could be set from 16-64 Steps, also all Parameters are set able in the Step Sequencer including Effect Parameters. (Or record.) Also the effect's /sounds are pretty good in my ears.

Well the price difference is not so high, 250€ vs 330 for the Maschine Micro, but most Users complain that they regret not buying the larger Maschine, which costs about 600€. So if Price does matter, i would recommend to check out the Spark LE also, because the smaller controller is not so limiting.)

An additional factor was the space on my desk, the Spark LE is way smaller than push or Maschine MK2, so after i factored that in, i have given it a shot, which turned out to be a good approach.

[v00d00ppl]

I went the route: Push + Arturia Spark.

Arturia Spark for the Drum Sounds, Push for Step Sequencing Melodies, this works very good so far.
Also the Step Sequencer on the Spark is fun to work with. You get the Workflow for Programming a Drum Machine + Push Work flow for the Melodies. Also the Spark has a Loop mode, and you could shift between the patterns with a divider, and Loop Position Knob, this was a good idea.

In Arturias Spark, a Pattern length could be set from 16-64 Steps, also all Parameters are set able in the Step Sequencer including Effect Parameters. (Or record.) Also the effect's /sounds are pretty good in my ears.

Well the price difference is not so high, 250€ vs 330 for the Maschine Micro, but most Users complain that they regret not buying the larger Maschine, which costs about 600€. So if Price does matter, i would recommend to check out the Spark LE also, because the smaller controller is not so limiting.)

An additional factor was the space on my desk, the Spark LE is way smaller than push or Maschine MK2, so after i factored that in, i have given it a shot, which turned out to be a good approach.

I have the same setup too, plus the groove system in Spark has its own bounce

[beatz01]

What about a used MKI (with 2.0) + Launchpad (with 95 script) + Ipad1/2 (with Touchable 2)

You could use the knobs on the MKI to control Live in combination with the LP = Push emulation, no ?
And for everything else there is Touchable 2.

You'd have rotaries, velocity pads, physical 8x8 grid, scale function, the Maschine library, and an Ipad

To be honest, i'd never buy a Push.Don't like the display, the workflow that makes you use Live in the same way like every other Push user, the LEDs and the fact that there are no physical faders.Wish Akai would put out an APControl - just the control section of the APC40 without the (useless) 5x8 grid.Or an APC88 with an 8x8 grid.

The above setup would cost as much as a Push or less but would be much more versatile imho.

[Dillinger63]

I have both PUSH with Live Suite 9 and Maschine Studio with Ver. 2.0 and Komplete 9 Ultimate . Although I like them both I find myself using the M.Studio a bit more based upon what I do. (I'm just a lowly home studio player that makes music for my own personal enjoyment) That being the case, if I had to sell one, I think the Push and Live 9 would go first. - Please don't ban me bro.

[deva]

What about a used MKI (with 2.0) + Launchpad (with 95 script) + Ipad1/2 (with Touchable 2)

You could use the knobs on the MKI to control Live in combination with the LP = Push emulation, no ?

No... with Push you have a 64 key, velocity and AT sensitive midi controller... you would still need to add a 61 key midi controller to that set-up to = Push